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To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport, whether her Department plans to take steps to monitor secondary ticketing practices.

Asked by
Stephen Morgan (Labour)
Answering body
Department for Culture, Media and Sport
Type
Written questions
Status
Answered
Date
24 May 2024
Reference
27500
House
House of Commons

Lords consideration of Commons amendments. Lords amendment 104B not insisted on and Commons amendments 104C and 104D in lieu agreed to.

Lead member
Lord Offord of Garvel
Answering member
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch
Department
Department for Business and Trade
Type
Debates on bills
Notes
Northern Ireland legislative consent sought.
Date
23 May 2024
Reference
838 cc1190-4
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Offord of Garvel

Member
Lord Offord of Garvel (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 May 2024
Reference
838 c1191
House
House of Lords

My Lords, it is an honour to speak for the final time on the Bill. Noble Lords will be aware that we have one issue remaining, relating to secondary ticketing.

Lords Amendment 104B tabled by my noble friend Lord Moynihan would introduce additional regulatory requirements on resale sites. The Government’s position...

Member
Lord Offord of Garvel (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 May 2024
Reference
838 cc1191-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his work on my amendments. As he rightly pointed out, they are the last amendments outstanding on this Bill. I thank the usual channels for their assiduous consideration of whether this should go further at this stage. We have seen some concessions from...

Member
Lord Moynihan (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 May 2024
Reference
838 c1192
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I do not propose to go over old competition ground, but like the noble Lord, Lord Moynihan, our attitude to Motion A is not to oppose it but to be somewhat disappointed at the Government’s response; on the other hand, we welcome the fact that they have added...

Member
Lord Clement-Jones (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 May 2024
Reference
838 cc1192-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I add my thanks, first, to the Ministers. As the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, said, they have worked assiduously, and we have felt as if we were constantly in their company over the past six months or so. They have always been courteous and had a listening ear,...

Member
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 May 2024
Reference
838 c1193
House
House of Lords

I am very grateful to noble Lords for their contributions today and throughout the passage of the Bill. I commend especially my noble friend Lord Moynihan for his dogged determination on this issue and the sentiments that he has expressed consistently throughout the passage of the Bill. I also pay...

Member
Lord Offord of Garvel (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 May 2024
Reference
838 cc1193-4
House
House of Lords

Consideration of Lords amendments. Lords amendment, motion to disagree and proposing amendments in lieu, debated with manuscript amendment. Main motion agreed to on division (217 to 268). Amendments made in lieu.

Lead member
Kevin Hollinrake
Department
Department for Business and Trade
Type
Debates on bills
Date
21 May 2024
Reference
750 cc785-800
House
House of Commons

I beg to move,

That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment and proposes Amendments (a) and (b) to the Bill in lieu of the Lords Amendment 104B.

The Bill will drive growth and deliver better outcomes for consumers across the UK. Both Houses have now reached agreement on digital...

Member
Kevin Hollinrake (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2024
Reference
750 c785
House
House of Commons

I pay tribute to my hon. Friend for his work, as well as to Lord Moynihan, who has doggedly pursued this matter with the Government. My hon. Friend rightly points out that making additional regulations for the sake of it is not something that we as a Government would support,...

Member
Alun Cairns (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2024
Reference
750 c785
House
House of Commons

We believe that the problem is about enforcement, not regulations. The reason why the CMA has not prosecuted anybody is that it does not have the responsibility or the right to prosecute sellers on ticketing sites. It has jurisdiction over the platforms, but not the sellers. We are giving the...

Member
Kevin Hollinrake (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2024
Reference
750 cc785-6
House
House of Commons

The Bill could have such a significant impact in tackling the issues associated with secondary ticket sites, and could reduce instances of fraud and online scams. I do not understand why the Minister is so reluctant to commit to the recommendations made by the CMA. That is all we want...

Member
Sarah Olney (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2024
Reference
750 c786
House
House of Commons

The CMA report differs from the amendment proposed by the Lords. We believe that Lord Moynihan’s requirements relating to face value and the address of the trader are already covered. What is missing from the amendment is the ability to enforce regulations. There have been prosecutions only recently, a couple...

Member
Kevin Hollinrake (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2024
Reference
750 c786
House
House of Commons

My question is similar to that of the hon. Member for Richmond Park (Sarah Olney). I just do not understand why the Government do not get involved with this. From what I have read of the Lords debate and what Lord Moynihan said, that is exactly what happened for the...

Member
Angus Brendan MacNeil (Independent (affiliation))
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2024
Reference
750 c786
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman raises important points. Alongside what we are doing to give the CMA more enforcement powers, which we think are needed, we are also committing to a review of the primary and secondary market over the next nine months, in order to see what else can be done...

Member
Kevin Hollinrake (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2024
Reference
750 c786
House
House of Commons

The Minister is generous in giving way, and I appreciate it. Has he spoken to his counterparts in Ireland about what they have done in this area, why they have done it, and what the effects have been? That might be instructive.

Member
Angus Brendan MacNeil (Independent (affiliation))
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2024
Reference
750 c786
House
House of Commons

Yes, we are aware of what is happening in Ireland, where there is a complete prohibition on secondary ticketing sales. Our concern about that is obvious: secondary sales are then just driven underground into a black market. That is what we have seen in Ireland. Indeed, tickets to see Taylor...

Member
Kevin Hollinrake (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2024
Reference
750 cc786-7
House
House of Commons

I am again grateful to the Minister for giving way, but like the hon. Member for Richmond Park (Sarah Olney), I am still stumped as to why the Government are not the champion of the consumer—the small person or small family who face the disappointment of financial loss. I hear...

Member
Angus Brendan MacNeil (Independent (affiliation))
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2024
Reference
750 c787
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman makes a fair point. I agree with him about the deterrent effect, but to me, that deterrent effect is delivered through enforcement and prosecutions, which are making it easier to deal with the platforms. As for the Lords amendment, information such as the seller’s address is already...

Member
Kevin Hollinrake (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 May 2024
Reference
750 c787
House
House of Commons