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My Lords, I congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, on her amendment and thank her for allowing me to add my name to it. I agree with what she said. I, too, had the benefit of a meeting with the Lord Chancellor, which was most helpful. I am grateful to...

Member
Lord Arbuthnot of Edrom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 April 2024
Reference
837 cc576-7GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, we have heard two extremely powerful speeches; I will follow in their wake but be very brief. For many years now, I campaigned on amending the Computer Misuse Act; the noble Lord, Lord Arbuthnot, did similarly. My motivation did not start with the Horizon scandal, but was more...

Member
Lord Clement-Jones (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 April 2024
Reference
837 cc577-8GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I support this probing amendment, Amendment 251. I thank all noble Lords who have spoken. From this side of the Committee, I say how grateful we are to the noble Lord, Lord Arbuthnot, for all that he has done and continues to do in his campaign to find...

Member
Lord Leong (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 April 2024
Reference
837 cc578-9GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I recognise the feeling of the Committee on this issue and, frankly, I recognise the feeling of the whole country with respect to Horizon. I thank all those who have spoken for a really enlightening debate. I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, for tabling the amendment and...

Member
Viscount Camrose (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 April 2024
Reference
837 cc579-580GC
House
House of Lords

Can the Minister pass on the following suggestion? Paul Marshall, who has been mentioned by all of us, is absolutely au fait with the exact procedure. He has experience of how it has worked in practice, and he has made some constructive suggestions. If there is not a full return...

Member
Lord Clement-Jones (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 April 2024
Reference
837 c580GC
House
House of Lords

It may have already done so, but I will certainly pass that on.

Member
Viscount Camrose (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 April 2024
Reference
837 c581GC
House
House of Lords

I thank everyone who spoke and the Minister for the offer of a meeting alongside his colleagues from the MoJ. I believe he will have a very busy diary between Committee and Report, based on the number of meetings we have agreed to.

However, I want to be very clear here....

Member
Baroness Kidron (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 April 2024
Reference
837 c581GC
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Viscount Camrose

253: Clause 143, page 181, line 14, at end insert—

“(3A) In section 205(2) (references to periods of time)—

(a) omit paragraph (l), and

(b) after that paragraph insert—

“(la) paragraph 22(6) of Schedule 12A;”

Member’s explanatory statement

This amendment provides that Article 3 of Regulation No 1182/71 (rules of interpretation regarding periods of...

Member
Viscount Camrose (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 April 2024
Reference
837 c581GC
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Clement-Jones

254: Schedule 15, page 278, line 17, leave out “Secretary of State” and insert “person who chairs the relevant Parliamentary committee”

Member
Lord Clement-Jones (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 April 2024
Reference
837 c582GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am afraid that I will speak to every single one of the amendments in this group but one, which is in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, and I have signed it. We have already debated the Secretary of State’s powers in relation to what...

Member
Lord Clement-Jones (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 April 2024
Reference
837 cc582-3GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, for introducing his amendments so ably. When I read them, I had a strong sense of déjà vu as attempts by the Government to control the appointments and functioning of new regulators have been a common theme in other pieces of...

Member
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 April 2024
Reference
837 cc583-4GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, and the noble Baroness, Lady Jones of Whitchurch, for their amendments to Schedule 15 to the Bill, which sets out the governance structure of the new information commission.

The ICO governance reforms ensure its accountability to Parliament. Before I go any further,...

Member
Lord Harlech (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 April 2024
Reference
837 cc584-5GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his response, dusty though it may have been. The noble Baroness, Lady Jones, is absolutely

right; this Government have form in all areas of regulation. In every area where we have had legislation related to a regulator coming down the track, the Government...

Member
Lord Clement-Jones (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 April 2024
Reference
837 cc585-6GC
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Viscount Camrose

283: Schedule 15, page 287, line 26, at end insert—

“Supplementary powers

23A The Commission may do anything it thinks appropriate for the purposes of, or in connection with, its functions.”

Member’s explanatory statement

This amendment makes clear that the Information Commission has power to do things to facilitate the exercise of...

Member
Viscount Camrose (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 April 2024
Reference
837 c587GC
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Viscount Camrose

285: Schedule 15, page 288, line 25, leave out sub-paragraph (3) and insert—

“(3) For the purposes of paragraph 7(3) of Schedule 12A to the 2018 Act (extension of chair’s term), the term of the person’s appointment as chair of the Information Commission is to be treated as a...

Member
Viscount Camrose (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 April 2024
Reference
837 c587GC
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Baroness Kidron

291: After Clause 149, insert the following new Clause—

“Offence to use personal data or digital information to create digital models or files that facilitate the creation of AI or computer generated child sexual abuse material

(1) A person commits an offence if they—

(a) collect, scrape, possess, distribute or otherwise...

Member
Baroness Kidron (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 April 2024
Reference
837 cc587-8GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I rise somewhat reluctantly to speak to Amendment 291 in my name. It could hardly be more important or necessary, but I am reluctant because I really think that the Minister, alongside his colleagues in DSIT and the Home Office, should have taken this issue up. I am...

Member
Baroness Kidron (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 April 2024
Reference
837 cc588-590GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, as ever, the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, has nailed this issue. She has campaigned tirelessly in the field of child sexual abuse and has identified a major loophole.

What has been so important is learning from experience and seeing how these new generative AI models, which we have all...

Member
Lord Clement-Jones (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 April 2024
Reference
837 cc590-1GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am pleased that we were able to sign this amendment. Once again, the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, has demonstrated her acute ability to dissect and to make a brilliant argument about why an amendment is so important.

As the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, and others have said previously,...

Member
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 April 2024
Reference
837 cc591-2GC
House
House of Lords

I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, for tabling Amendment 291, which would create several new criminal offences relating to the use of AI to collect, collate and distribute child abuse images or to possess such images after they have been created. Nobody can dispute the intention behind this amendment.

We...

Member
Viscount Camrose (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 April 2024
Reference
837 cc592-3GC
House
House of Lords