I shall deal with the noble Baroness’s last question first. The figure that she gave is our current estimate. We have had to ask for advice from the relevant authorities on their reasonable expectation as a result of going through cases and histories to see what is likely. That is...

I shall deal with the noble Baroness’s last question first. The figure that she gave is our current estimate. We have had to ask for advice from the relevant authorities on their reasonable expectation as a result of going through cases and histories to see what is likely. That is...

If ever there were a hint that I should be brief! I can sometimes take a hint, and this is one of those occasions. The Minister argued that the Government have departed from the norm by providing for express delegation and that there is tighter control than usual. I am...

If ever there were a hint that I should be brief! I can sometimes take a hint, and this is one of those occasions. The Minister argued that the Government have departed from the norm by providing for express delegation and that there is tighter control than usual. I am...

I am grateful for that reply. When I said that it is within criminal law, I meant that it is within a Serious Crime Bill that comes from the Home Office. I appreciated that the particular focus of the actions in the Bill is the civil procedure. I think she...

I am grateful for that reply. When I said that it is within criminal law, I meant that it is within a Serious Crime Bill that comes from the Home Office. I appreciated that the particular focus of the actions in the Bill is the civil procedure. I think she...

moved Amendment No. 89: 89: Schedule 2, page 52, line 28, leave out paragraph 2 The noble Baroness said: I shall also speak to Amendments Nos. 90 to 92 as we reach the end of Part 1. The amendments make the applicant authorities take more effective control over decisions to...

moved Amendment No. 89: 89: Schedule 2, page 52, line 28, leave out paragraph 2 The noble Baroness said: I shall also speak to Amendments Nos. 90 to 92 as we reach the end of Part 1. The amendments make the applicant authorities take more effective control over decisions to...

First, on the question raised by the noble Lord, Lord Burnett, I do not think that anything is not covered by the Bill at the moment; but, as I said to the noble Baroness, Lady Noakes, as things have evolved, we have created new bodies that should properly be included...

First, on the question raised by the noble Lord, Lord Burnett, I do not think that anything is not covered by the Bill at the moment; but, as I said to the noble Baroness, Lady Noakes, as things have evolved, we have created new bodies that should properly be included...

Yes, these proceedings will be held in open court.

Yes, these proceedings will be held in open court.

Before the noble Lord makes up his mind, am I right that proceedings for ASBOs as civil orders are held in public and that there is no secrecy about them? Am I also right that a similar procedure will apply to this type of order?

Before the noble Lord makes up his mind, am I right that proceedings for ASBOs as civil orders are held in public and that there is no secrecy about them? Am I also right that a similar procedure will apply to this type of order?

I had understood that this was a probing case. Was the noble Lord struck by the apparent paradox in the Minister’s assertion of a possible breach of Article 8 and incompatibility with the convention with the arguments that have been deployed in reverse in respect of other clauses in the...

I had understood that this was a probing case. Was the noble Lord struck by the apparent paradox in the Minister’s assertion of a possible breach of Article 8 and incompatibility with the convention with the arguments that have been deployed in reverse in respect of other clauses in the...

moved Amendment No. 64: 64: Clause 7 , page 6, line 30, at beginning insert— ““(1)”” The noble Baroness said: I shall speak to Amendments Nos. 65, 66 and 130 as well. Clause 7 provides that the Secretary of State may, by order, expressly exclude the application of a serious...

moved Amendment No. 64: 64: Clause 7 , page 6, line 30, at beginning insert— ““(1)”” The noble Baroness said: I shall speak to Amendments Nos. 65, 66 and 130 as well. Clause 7 provides that the Secretary of State may, by order, expressly exclude the application of a serious...

I shall consider that when I read the Minister’s remarks. I am not about to leap to a hasty conclusion; we have done enough dividing for the day, and I do not think I would enjoy the same majority. If there is a public trial, then it is public. The...

I shall consider that when I read the Minister’s remarks. I am not about to leap to a hasty conclusion; we have done enough dividing for the day, and I do not think I would enjoy the same majority. If there is a public trial, then it is public. The...

Dinner-break arrangements are being finalised as I speak.

Dinner-break arrangements are being finalised as I speak.

The amendments have our support. It is right that serious crime prevention orders should be made by statutory instrument subject to the affirmative resolution of Parliament. Amendment No. 66 also is to be supported. It would ensure that those who have a history of mental illness and mental incapacity could...

The amendments have our support. It is right that serious crime prevention orders should be made by statutory instrument subject to the affirmative resolution of Parliament. Amendment No. 66 also is to be supported. It would ensure that those who have a history of mental illness and mental incapacity could...

I am happy to have further discussion outside the Chamber so that we can explore the issues in the intricate way the noble Lord seeks. I am sure that in the end we can satisfy him about what we are trying to achieve in putting together information in an orderly...

I am happy to have further discussion outside the Chamber so that we can explore the issues in the intricate way the noble Lord seeks. I am sure that in the end we can satisfy him about what we are trying to achieve in putting together information in an orderly...

Yes, admonished me and indicated over and over again that house arrest is not involved. So in conjunction with the noble Baroness, Lady Anelay, over dinner, I decided that another acronym would be more appropriate. I thoughtof CODPO—that is, a confinement to domestic premises order—or, possibly, a POTODPO, which is...

Yes, admonished me and indicated over and over again that house arrest is not involved. So in conjunction with the noble Baroness, Lady Anelay, over dinner, I decided that another acronym would be more appropriate. I thoughtof CODPO—that is, a confinement to domestic premises order—or, possibly, a POTODPO, which is...

moved Amendment No. 68: 68: Clause 9 , page 7, line 5, leave out ““a significant”” and insert ““an”” The noble Lord said: I will speak also to Amendments Nos. 69, 70, 72, 77 and 78. The amendments all remove ““a significant”” or ““significantly”” as appropriate, and probe exactly what...

moved Amendment No. 68: 68: Clause 9 , page 7, line 5, leave out ““a significant”” and insert ““an”” The noble Lord said: I will speak also to Amendments Nos. 69, 70, 72, 77 and 78. The amendments all remove ““a significant”” or ““significantly”” as appropriate, and probe exactly what...

The noble Baroness has gone through the various clauses to which we object. It would take far too long for me to go through them individually. However, we should look at Clauses 33 and 34. Clause 33 states: "““Proceedings before the High Court … are civil proceedings. One consequence …...

The noble Baroness has gone through the various clauses to which we object. It would take far too long for me to go through them individually. However, we should look at Clauses 33 and 34. Clause 33 states: "““Proceedings before the High Court … are civil proceedings. One consequence …...

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, for the brevity with which he outlined his amendments. With the greatest regret, I must tell him that I find the new shortened form no more attractive than the last, but I am confident that the noble Lord will continue to...

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, for the brevity with which he outlined his amendments. With the greatest regret, I must tell him that I find the new shortened form no more attractive than the last, but I am confident that the noble Lord will continue to...

I intervene only to say that I am very sorry that I was not able to have dinner with my noble friend and the noble Lord, Lord Thomas. I am fascinated to hear of the new suggestion that the noble Lord puts forward that the order should now be called...

I intervene only to say that I am very sorry that I was not able to have dinner with my noble friend and the noble Lord, Lord Thomas. I am fascinated to hear of the new suggestion that the noble Lord puts forward that the order should now be called...

Well, I have to deal with the rumbling-tummy brigade as well. I shall deal first with Amendment No. 66. It would mean that anyone who had a history of mental illness or mental incapacity could not be the subject of an order. It would make similar provision to that which...

Well, I have to deal with the rumbling-tummy brigade as well. I shall deal first with Amendment No. 66. It would mean that anyone who had a history of mental illness or mental incapacity could not be the subject of an order. It would make similar provision to that which...

I am grateful tothe Minister for his indication of the Government’s approach to Amendment No. 66. It was brought forward in the spirit of not wishing to undermine the Government’s approach on intent. I made it clear earlier that I am carefully considering our position on that before Report. I...

I am grateful tothe Minister for his indication of the Government’s approach to Amendment No. 66. It was brought forward in the spirit of not wishing to undermine the Government’s approach on intent. I made it clear earlier that I am carefully considering our position on that before Report. I...