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I. Letter dated 10/09/2018 from David Mundell MP to the Deposited Papers Clerk regarding document for deposit in the Libraries. 1p. II. Joint Ministerial Working Group on Welfare: Minutes of meeting 10 June 2018. 3p.

Deposited by
Scotland Office
Type
Deposited papers
Date
10 September 2018
Reference
DEP2018-0876
House
House of Commons

Nineteenth debate (part one) on the fourth report from the Scottish Affairs Committee, The impact of the bedroom tax in Scotland: Interim report, and the Government response.

Lead member
Ian Davidson
Answering member
Esther McVey
Department
Department for Work and Pensions; Scottish Affairs Committee
Type
Adjournment debates; Debates on select committee reports
Date
8 May 2014
Reference
580 cc131-156WH
House
House of Commons

In speaking on the report and the Government response, it is appropriate that I indicate at the beginning that unusually, the report was not unanimous. It is the product of a Division in the Committee: four Labour members voted for the report, one Liberal and one Conservative voted against, four...

Member
Ian Davidson (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2014
Reference
580 c131WH
House
House of Commons

This report is specifically about Scotland, but the Select Committee on Work and Pensions, in its report on housing costs, said that the victims of the so-called bedroom tax were often not the intended targets—those who could move. Instead, many were people who needed the extra space and who were...

Member
Anne Begg (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2014
Reference
580 c131WH
House
House of Commons

Absolutely. Substantial numbers of disabled people who require an additional bedroom due to their condition have been hit by the bedroom tax. We heard the absurd proposal that people should mitigate the effects of the tax by taking in lodgers, as well as the suggestion that people should earn more...

Member
Ian Davidson (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2014
Reference
580 c131WH
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend is being generous in giving way. I congratulate him and his Committee on the excellent work they did preparing the report. On the advice about taking a lodger, I visited a family with children aged two, three, four and five.

Does he not think that it is...

Member
Fiona O'Donnell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2014
Reference
580 c131WH
House
House of Commons

That is absolutely correct. In our hearings, we had a whole string of witnesses telling us how worried they would be about taking an unknown lodger into their home in circumstances where they would fear that their children might be at risk.

I also want to consider the issue in the...

Member
Ian Davidson (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2014
Reference
580 c132WH
House
House of Commons

Perhaps my hon. Friend would not be surprised to know that the real problem is the shortage of homes, which is why people end up in the private rented sector. In Edinburgh this week, out of all council and housing association homes, only 22 one-bedroom properties are advertised, and six...

Member
Sheila Gilmore (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2014
Reference
580 c132WH
House
House of Commons

That is absolutely correct. I notice that there are numerous other Members here who will undoubtedly want to speak. I did not intend to spend most of my time on the iniquities of the bedroom tax, because that is common ground for the vast majority of us here; I wanted...

Member
Ian Davidson (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2014
Reference
580 cc132-3WH
House
House of Commons

I congratulate my hon. Friend on securing this debate. Can he offer an explanation why?

Member
Lindsay Roy (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2014
Reference
580 c133WH
House
House of Commons

There is an explanation; it was given to us by John Swinney himself, no less, when he said that he did not want to let Westminster off the hook. Of course, it was not actually Westminster that was hanging on the hook; it was people in Scotland who were finding...

Member
Ian Davidson (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2014
Reference
580 c133WH
House
House of Commons

What other options might be available to the Scottish Government?

Member
Lindsay Roy (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2014
Reference
580 c133WH
House
House of Commons

The information that we have from relatively brief discussions is that the Scottish Government may give money to social housing providers to allow them to write off debts. They could do that at any stage, so the debts built up under the bedroom tax could simply be written off.

Member
Ian Davidson (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2014
Reference
580 c133WH
House
House of Commons

East Lothian council has done that.

Member
Fiona O'Donnell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2014
Reference
580 c133WH
House
House of Commons

I am glad to hear that. That could have been done throughout the whole of Scotland. The Scottish Government could have said to social housing providers, “Any arrears you have, you write them off,

and we will refund you the money.” That is perfectly legal and could have been done,...

Member
Ian Davidson (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2014
Reference
580 cc133-5WH
House
House of Commons

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Member
Pete Wishart (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2014
Reference
580 c135WH
House
House of Commons

Oh, I am glad to see that a Member from the Scottish National party is not only here, but prepared to intervene in a debate on the Scottish Affairs Committee’s work.

Member
Ian Davidson (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2014
Reference
580 c135WH
House
House of Commons

I am not going to go into the reasons why we do not participate in the hon. Gentleman’s Committee.

I accept the Labour party’s sincerity about scrapping the bedroom tax—it has said that it will do so at the earliest opportunity—but will the hon. Gentleman direct me to the Labour shadow...

Member
Pete Wishart (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2014
Reference
580 c135WH
House
House of Commons

Regrettably, we are not in power at the moment. We do not have the power either in Scotland or in the UK to take such decisions. However, the SNP is in power in Scotland, and it could do that tomorrow—well, not tomorrow actually, because the Scottish Parliament is closed tomorrow,...

Member
Ian Davidson (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2014
Reference
580 c135WH
House
House of Commons

I apologise, Mr Bone. I know that you have opinions on a whole range of matters, some of which I agree with, but this is not one I would want to draw you into.

The Scottish Government have a responsibility to act now, because they have the powers. To do nothing...

Member
Ian Davidson (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 May 2014
Reference
580 cc135-6WH
House
House of Commons