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My Lords, I have already spoken to Motion M. I beg to move.

Motion M1 (as an amendment to Motion M)

Member
Lord Collins of Highbury (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 October 2025
Reference
849 c1269
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Sharpe of Epsom

Member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 October 2025
Reference
849 c1269
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I wish to test the opinion of the House.

Member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 October 2025
Reference
849 c1269
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Leong

Member
Lord Leong (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 October 2025
Reference
849 c1269
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will confirm the policy in the letter sent by my noble friends Lady Smith and Lady Jones, to which the noble Baroness, Lady Barran, referred.

The purpose of the SSSNB is to ensure that school support staff are entitled to at least a statutory minimum level of pay...

Member
Lord Leong (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 October 2025
Reference
849 cc1269-1276
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Baroness Barran

Member
Baroness Barran (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 October 2025
Reference
849 c1276
House
House of Lords

I thank the Minister for that clarification, but I take little reassurance from it, in particular the idea of what will happen in the next few years to the focus of the SSSNB. In this House, we make legislation beyond the next few years. With that, I would like to...

Member
Baroness Barran (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 October 2025
Reference
849 c1276
House
House of Lords

Lords consideration of Commons amendments and reasons. Lords amendment 1 not insisted on and amendment 1B in lieu agreed to on division (302 to 159). Lords amendments 7 and 8 not insisted on. Lords amendment 21 not insisted on and Commons amendments 21A and 21B in lieu agreed to. Commons...

Lead member
Lord Collins of Highbury; Lord Leong; Baroness Lloyd of Effra
Answering member
Lord Hunt of Wirral; Lord Sharpe of Epsom; Baroness Barran
Department
Department for Business and Trade
Type
Debates on bills
Date
28 October 2025
Reference
849 cc1217-1276
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Collins of Highbury

Member
Lord Collins of Highbury (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 October 2025
Reference
849 c1217
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I beg to move Motion A, and shall also speak to Motions B, E, E1, H and H1.

I start by thanking your Lordships’ House for the constructive contributions, debate and scrutiny that this Bill has received throughout its passage. The Bill has been strengthened in many places in...

Member
Lord Collins of Highbury (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 October 2025
Reference
849 cc1218-1220
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Fox

Member
Lord Fox (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 October 2025
Reference
849 c1220
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I think I am right in welcoming the Minister, noble Lord, Lord Collins, to the Bill. I too missed all of Report and so I thank my noble friends Lord Goddard, Lord Palmer and Lady Kramer for picking up the pieces. The Minister and I find ourselves at...

Member
Lord Fox (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 October 2025
Reference
849 cc1221-2
House
House of Lords

First, I am also very grateful to the Minister and his new colleagues for their time during the past couple of weeks. I also thank the noble Lord, Lord Fox, for his amendment. If he wishes to test the opinion of the House, we will support him.

3.45 pm

Turning to Motion...

Member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 October 2025
Reference
849 cc1222-4
House
House of Lords

Motion E1 is the most important amendment we will be debating today. The introduction of day one unfair dismissal rights is the most damaging element in this Bill, in my opinion. While there are problems with much of the Bill, there will, I believe, be a lot of unintended consequences.

For...

Member
Lord Vaux of Harrowden (Conservative; Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 October 2025
Reference
849 cc1223-6
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I oppose Motion E1, which is unnecessary. Under the Employment Rights Bill, employers can still dismiss workers fairly—for example, as they can now if they are incompetent or there is misconduct or a redundancy situation. But without the day one protection proposed by the Government, when workers move...

Member
Baroness O'Grady of Upper Holloway (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 October 2025
Reference
849 cc1226-7
House
House of Lords

My Lords, noble Lords have mentioned the lack of detail in the Bill. As somebody who has been heavily engaged in employment law over the last 40 years, I am very much aware of the need to ensure that there is secondary legislation to give time to consult on issues....

Member
Lord Collins of Highbury (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 October 2025
Reference
849 cc1227-8
House
House of Lords

I was hoping to hear an answer to the question posed by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Phillips: without a qualifying period, will employers take on people with a criminal record? That question has not been answered. Secondly, Clause 25 talks about the right not to be unfairly dismissed,...

Member
Lord Sentamu (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 October 2025
Reference
849 c1228
House
House of Lords

I was about to make exactly the same point, but the noble and right reverend Lord beat me to it. The Minister has not addressed this point at all. The strongest argument against the day-one issue is that employers plainly will not take the risk with ex-offenders, who we are...

Member
Lord Clarke of Nottingham (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 October 2025
Reference
849 c1228
House
House of Lords

Sadly, I have not got through my contribution in response to all the questions, so please give me a bit of time. I will certainly address that specific question when I get to it.

The general point on day-one rights that we are trying to make—my noble friend made it very...

Member
Lord Collins of Highbury (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 October 2025
Reference
849 cc1228-9
House
House of Lords

Ex-offenders.

Member
Lord Leong (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 October 2025
Reference
849 c1229
House
House of Lords