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Moved by

Viscount Camrose

1: Clause 1, page 2, leave out lines 34 to 37

Member's explanatory statement

This is a probing amendment to ascertain why this new term is necessary.

Member
Viscount Camrose (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2024
Reference
841 c337GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I start by reflecting on the strangeness of the situation—to me, anyway. Here we all are again, in slightly different seats but with a largely similar Bill. As I said at Second Reading, we welcome this important Bill; it is absolutely crucial to get our data economy right....

Member
Viscount Camrose (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2024
Reference
841 cc337-8GC
House
House of Lords

Just to follow on from that, I very much support my noble friend’s words. The only reason I can see why you would introduce new definitions is that there are new responsibilities that are different, and you would want people to be aware of the new rules that have been...

Member
Lord Markham (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2024
Reference
841 c338GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am not sure whether I should open by saying that it is a pleasure to take part in the passage of the third iteration of this Bill, but, as I said at Second Reading, this is an improvement. Nevertheless, there are aspects of the Bill that need...

Member
Lord Clement-Jones (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2024
Reference
841 cc338-9GC
House
House of Lords

First, let me say what a pleasure it is to be back on this old ground again, although with slightly different functions this time round. I very much support what the noble Viscount, Lord Camrose, said. We want to get the wording of this Bill right and to have a...

Member
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2024
Reference
841 c339GC
House
House of Lords

I thank the Minister for that explanation. I see the point she makes that, in existing legislation, these terms are used. I wonder whether there is anything we can do better to explain the terms. There seems to be significant overlap between processors, holders, owners and traders. The more we...

Member
Viscount Camrose (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2024
Reference
841 c339GC
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Viscount Camrose

3: Clause 2, page 3, line 23, leave out “Secretary of State or the”

Member’s explanatory statement

This amendment seeks to probe the role of the Secretary of State and HM Treasury in these provisions.

Member
Viscount Camrose (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2024
Reference
841 c340GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, Amendments 3, 4 and 20 seek to probe the Government’s position on the roles of the Secretary of State and the Treasury. Amendment 6 seeks to probe whether the Treasury or the Secretary of State shall have precedence when making regulations under this Bill.

Clarity over decision-making powers is...

Member
Viscount Camrose (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2024
Reference
841 c340GC
House
House of Lords

The amendments in group 2 cover smart data and relate to the Secretary of State and the Treasury. Apart from the financial services sector clauses, most of the powers in Part 1, as well as the statutory spending authority in Clause 13, are imposed on the Secretary of State and...

Member
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2024
Reference
841 cc340-1GC
House
House of Lords

I thank the Minister for that explanation. I am pleased to hear that these are standard procedures. Will she put that in writing, in a letter to me, explaining and setting it out so that we have it on the record? It is really important to understand where the decisions...

Member
Viscount Camrose (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2024
Reference
841 c341GC
House
House of Lords

I confirm that I am happy to write.

Member
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2024
Reference
841 c341GC
House
House of Lords

I am grateful. I do not know about the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, but I wonder whether I might speak to Amendments 34 and 48.

Member
Lord Arbuthnot of Edrom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2024
Reference
841 c341GC
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Lucas

5: Clause 2, page 3, line 28, at end insert—

“(1A) The Secretary of State may by regulations make provision requiring a data holder to communicate (to the extent that they have the data required to do this) in a specified manner with all or a subset of the...

Member
Lord Lucas (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2024
Reference
841 c341GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am pleased that my noble friend Lord Lucas managed to make it, because I found him extremely persuasive and I agree with what he said. I shall return to the issue that his second amendment dealt with—namely, the issue of sex. I thank the organisation Sex Matters...

Member
Lord Arbuthnot of Edrom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2024
Reference
841 cc344-6GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I would like to say a few things about this. The first is that Amendment 5, in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, is very sensible; sometimes the GDPR has gone too far in trying to block what you can use things for. It was originally...

Member
Earl of Erroll (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2024
Reference
841 c346GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I too am delighted that the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, came in to move his amendment. He is the expert in that

whole area of education data; like the noble Lord, Lord Arbuthnot, I found what he said extremely persuasive.

I need to declare an interest as chair of...

Member
Lord Clement-Jones (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2024
Reference
841 cc346-7GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I want to come in on Amendment 5. Although I am very much in favour of the intent of what we are trying to do—making more use of the sharing of data—I have to remember my old Health Minister’s hat in talking about all the different terms and...

Member
Lord Markham (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2024
Reference
841 cc347-8GC
House
House of Lords

I thank my noble friends Lord Lucas and Lord Arbuthnot for their Amendments 5, 34, 48, 200 and 202. They and other noble Lords who have spoken have powerfully raised some crucial issues in these amendments.

Amendment 5 addresses a key gap, and I take on board what my noble friend...

Member
Viscount Camrose (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2024
Reference
841 cc348-350GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, we have had a good and wide-ranging discussion on all this. I will try to deal with the issues as they were raised.

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, for the proposed Amendment 5 to Clause 2. I am pleased to confirm that the powers under Clauses 2...

Member
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2024
Reference
841 cc350-1GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister for her reply and to my noble friends and others for their interventions before that. I am delighted that she considers that Clause 2(3)(a) covers my Amendment 5. If I have any further concerns about that when I have reread her...

Member
Lord Lucas (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
3 December 2024
Reference
841 cc351-2GC
House
House of Lords