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My Lords, I am delighted that my noble friend Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames tabled this amendment and the noble and learned Lord, Lord Garnier, added his name, as did I.

I will not speak for long—just a few minutes—but I would like to give this amendment some context. Just over a...

Member
Baroness Jolly (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 February 2021
Reference
810 c21
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I welcome the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Marks, and the opportunity to talk about the role of psychotherapists. As I will be discussing regulatory issues, I declare my membership of the GMC.

I have no doubt about the value of psychotherapists and the beneficial impact of their...

Member
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 February 2021
Reference
810 cc21-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I speak in support of this amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Marks, and the other noble Lords who have signed it. It seeks to create a new offence of

“Controlling or coercive behaviour by persons providing psychotherapy or counselling services”.

First, I commend the apposite wording—in...

Member
Baroness Finn (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 February 2021
Reference
810 cc23-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, during the Committee discussions last week, the noble Lord, Lord Wolfson of Tredegar, commented on how helpful the debate on presumed parental consent was, and I agree. I felt that I was back on “Moral Maze”; I was moving around the issue and considering it from all sides....

Member
Baroness Fox of Buckley (Non-affiliated)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 February 2021
Reference
810 cc24-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, on Wednesday, both the noble Lord, Lord Marks, and the noble and learned Lord, Lord Garnier, put the detailed legal arguments for this amendment, and I have added my name to it as well. I shall not try to repeat what they said, but instead will say something...

Member
Baroness Mallalieu (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 February 2021
Reference
810 cc25-6
House
House of Lords

My Lords, this important amendment seeks to include controlling and coercive behaviour by a psychotherapist or counsellor in the Bill.

The noble Lord, Lord Marks, and the noble and learned Lord, Lord Garnier, clearly laid out the reality of very unscrupulous practices. When working as they should, psychotherapists are generally trained...

Member
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 February 2021
Reference
810 cc26-8
House
House of Lords

My Lords, Amendment 141, moved by the noble Lord, Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames, raises the important issue of controlling or coercive behaviour.

This proposed offence is modelled on the existing offence of coercive behaviour in an intimate relationship, as set out in the Serious Crime Act 2015. I support the intent...

Member
Lord Kennedy of Southwark (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 February 2021
Reference
810 cc28-9
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am very grateful to all noble Lords who have taken part in this debate today and on Wednesday evening, when we began it. I am particularly grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames, for setting out the case for this amendment, which, as he explained,...

Member
Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 February 2021
Reference
810 cc29-30
House
House of Lords

My Lords, one salutary and useful aspect of this amendment is that it has focused our minds on false memories and false allegations. It is therefore a reminder that we must challenge what we believe to be the victim mindset that can lead to grave injustices. The amendment should remind...

Member
Baroness Fox of Buckley (Non-affiliated)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 February 2021
Reference
810 c31
House
House of Lords

The noble Baroness is right to say that this area needs continued and careful thought, a point also made by the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay of Llandaff, who referred to the complexity of the issues and the matters which have to be considered. We will indeed do that.

Member
Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 February 2021
Reference
810 c31
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his careful response. He said that this issue goes wider than his own department, and I agree. In the period between Committee and Report, would it therefore be possible for him to meet with the noble Lord, Lord Bethell, to discuss...

Member
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 February 2021
Reference
810 c31
House
House of Lords

That is a sensible suggestion from the noble Lord and I am happy to commit to speaking to my noble friend about it.

Member
Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 February 2021
Reference
810 c31
House
House of Lords

I was going to make the same suggestion as my noble friend Lord Hunt of Kings Heath, who made the point that this is an important issue that runs across departments. As he said, I am not sure that this is the right Bill in which to address it, but...

Member
Lord Kennedy of Southwark (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 February 2021
Reference
810 c31
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am grateful to all who have spoken in this important and fascinating debate about some terrible behaviour. As the noble and learned Lord, Lord Garnier, explained, the principle of this amendment has a long history of parliamentary support. It would rightly criminalise quack counsellors, who, as all...

Member
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 February 2021
Reference
810 cc31-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords, as a member of the Joint Committee that undertook pre-legislative scrutiny of the draft domestic abuse Bill, I know that the extraterritorial jurisdiction provisions of the Bill are intended to fulfil the UK’s obligations under Article 44 of the Istanbul convention. I welcome the fact that these provisions...

Member
Baroness Bertin (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 February 2021
Reference
810 cc33-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, Section 72 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 makes it an offence, in England and Wales, for a UK national or resident to commit sexual offences against children outside the UK, in an effort to clamp down on so-called sex tourism. Paragraph 2 of Schedule 2 to this...

Member
Lord Paddick (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 February 2021
Reference
810 c34
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Baroness Bertin

142: Schedule 2, page 64, line 37, leave out paragraph (b)

Member
Baroness Bertin (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 February 2021
Reference
810 c33
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their contributions to this debate, which has been excellent. I can categorically attest to the fact that the noble Lord, Lord Kennedy, is not a misogynist. The noble Baroness, Lady Bull, talked about how the behaviour of parents has almost a direct...

Member
Baroness Williams of Trafford (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 February 2021
Reference
810 cc58-9
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank everybody who took part in this wide-ranging debate. I thought it was appropriate for it to be introduced by a member of the weaker sex, but I thank everybody of whatever sex for their contributions. I thank my colleague in the other place, Stella Creasy. She...

Member
Lord Russell of Liverpool (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 February 2021
Reference
810 cc59-61
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baronesses, Lady Finlay and Lady Hamwee, and my noble friend Lord Naseby for their support for Amendment 146A in my name.

I welcome Clause 71, which builds on the Homelessness Reduction Act 2017, piloted through the other place by Bob Blackman and through...

Member
Lord Young of Cookham (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 February 2021
Reference
810 cc62-3
House
House of Lords