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Lords committee stage second day. Clause 1 agreed to. Clause 2 under consideration.

Lead member
Lord Khan of Burnley
Answering member
Baroness Scott of Bybrook
Department
Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government
Type
Committee proceedings; Debates on bills
Date
11 March 2025
Reference
844 cc185-238GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I support my noble friend Lord Eccles in his Amendment 5 and will speak to my Amendment 33. When I first saw the department’s plan to manage this, I was tempted to ask the Minister facetiously whether he would put the experts of HS2 in charge of the...

Member
Lord Blencathra (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 March 2025
Reference
844 cc648-191GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I want to say a word or two in support of my noble friend Lord Eccles and his amendment and my noble friend Lord Blencathra. Much of what I was going to say has been well forked over already, but I think it underlines the importance of moving...

Member
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 March 2025
Reference
844 c191GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the noble Viscount, Lord Eccles, for opening this group. I will speak to my Amendment 22, which seeks to limit the amount of time that Victoria Tower Gardens can be closed to the public as a result of events linked to the proposed Holocaust memorial and...

Member
Bishop of St Albans (Bishops (affiliation); Bishops (affiliation); Bishops (affiliation))
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 March 2025
Reference
844 cc186-8GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will speak briefly to my Amendment 26. First, I add that, living in Hertfordshire, I am in touch with the distinguished Buxton family of today, one of whom is about to become our high sheriff sometime soon. They have expressed to me in correspondence something of their...

Member
Bishop of St Albans (Bishops (affiliation); Bishops (affiliation); Bishops (affiliation))
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 March 2025
Reference
844 cc214-5GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will speak to the amendment from the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of St Albans on closure dates. I was a member of the Select Committee, which, as he told us, took the view that it should not table an amendment to the Bill. Select Committees are...

Member
Lord Hope of Craighead (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 March 2025
Reference
844 c194GC
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Viscount Eccles

5: Clause 1, page 1, line 9, at end insert—

“(1A) The management responsibilities in subsection (1)(a) to (c) must be discharged by a Non-Departmental Public Body.”

Member
Viscount Eccles (Conservative; Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 March 2025
Reference
844 c185GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, when I put down this amendment it seemed to me that we had arrived at a time when we needed clarification about who was going to manage this project. It is approaching construction and has been under consideration for a long time. We have known that there was...

Member
Viscount Eccles (Conservative; Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 March 2025
Reference
844 cc185-7GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I seconded the amendment tabled by the right reverend Prelate and I agree with it. It is important also to look at the report from the excellent Select Committee that dealt with it. It says:

“The limitation of closure dates seems to us to be a reasonable request”.

That is...

Member
Lord Robathan (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 March 2025
Reference
844 cc191-2GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I speak in support of all the amendments in this group, which are about closure and governance. Perhaps I will wrap up closure first, because it is a discrete issue.

There has been a tendency, since it was first chosen, for the promoters to treat Victoria Tower Gardens as...

Member
Baroness Deech (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 March 2025
Reference
844 cc192-4GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I support the amendment in the name of the noble Viscount, Lord Eccles, in particular. The noble Lord, Lord Blencathra, referred to a document, a copy of which I have in my hand: Programme Governance for the Holocaust Memorial and Learning Centre, issued by DLUHC. It refers to...

Member
Lord Carlile of Berriew (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 March 2025
Reference
844 c194GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I think there is general agreement that there should be an independent, stand-alone body. I have no doubt that, once this Bill becomes an Act, that is one of the first things the Government will do. I say this very gently and with no criticism intended, because part...

Member
Lord Pickles (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 March 2025
Reference
844 c195GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I spoke on the first day in Committee to make clear my support for the memorial but my great concern about the learning centre. It seems increasingly clear that there is an extraordinary vagueness about what it will be made of, how it will be run and how...

Member
Lord King of Bridgwater (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 March 2025
Reference
844 cc195-6GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I want briefly to endorse, in general terms, what has been said already, but I invite your Lordships to look at this slightly differently: from the perspective of land use, in which I have had a considerable amount of experience, in various ways, during my career. The point...

Member
Lord Inglewood (Crossbench; Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 March 2025
Reference
844 c196GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, may I just elucidate a couple of points that have arisen? First, the delay in this project, which is undoubted, arises solely from the fact that Victoria Tower Gardens was chosen in defiance and ignorance of the 1900 statute that forbade building there. That is the reason for...

Member
Baroness Deech (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 March 2025
Reference
844 c197GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, before the Minister responds, I will briefly come in on something my noble friend Lord Pickles said about 6 million Jews. I am sure many people here have been to Yad Vashem, which is one of the most moving places I have been to. I have been there...

Member
Lord Robathan (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 March 2025
Reference
844 c197GC
House
House of Lords

I think I was with my noble friend on his last visit to Yad Vashem. Like him, I have been there many times, and I am always moved by the process. However, we need to make it absolutely clear that there is only one Holocaust. A number of genocides have...

Member
Lord Pickles (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 March 2025
Reference
844 c197GC
House
House of Lords

My noble friend Lord Robathan has made a very good point, and my noble friend Lord Pickles is right that there is only one Holocaust. But the briefing for this centre says that other genocides will also be commemorated there. So there will be things about Holodomor, and possibly Rwanda,...

Member
Lord Blencathra (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 March 2025
Reference
844 c197GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I was one of the few Members of either House—alongside the noble Baroness, Lady Deech, and the noble Lord, Lord Pickles, who will confirm what I am saying—who attended a meeting organised to discuss the contents of the learning centre. The meeting was addressed by a historian who...

Member
Lord Austin of Dudley (Non-affiliated)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 March 2025
Reference
844 c198GC
House
House of Lords

Before the noble Lord sits down, will he just accept that if 3,000 to 4,000 people come every day—those are the numbers we have been given—that will affect the way the park operates from the point of view of the local residents? I am not saying that it is impossible...

Member
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 March 2025
Reference
844 c198GC
House
House of Lords