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Lords committee stage third day. Clauses 14 to 16 agreed to. Part 1 of 2.

Lead member
Lord Gardiner of Kimble
Department
Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
Type
Committee of the Whole House (HL); Debates on bills
Date
9 March 2020
Reference
802 cc828-847
House
House of Lords

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, who has expressed so eloquently many of the points I want to make. I shall try to avoid repeating them; nevertheless, I want to extend the argument. I agree with the noble Lord that if the...

Member
Lord Krebs (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 March 2020
Reference
802 cc837-9
House
House of Lords

My Lords—

Member
Baroness Young of Old Scone (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 March 2020
Reference
802 c839
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I apologise to my noble friend for jumping in here, but I would like to go on for a bit to address exactly what the noble Lord, Lord Krebs, has said. I could not concur more strongly with the aspersion that he made against the mantra of fishing...

Member
Viscount Hanworth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 March 2020
Reference
802 cc839-840
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank my noble friend and speak to Amendment 112 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, to which I put my name—although I may now regret it, since he poked me in the eye. I will also speak to Amendment 124 in the name of...

Member
Baroness Young of Old Scone (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 March 2020
Reference
802 c840
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I do not wish to detain the House longer than necessary. People have made the points in relation to these provisions far better than I can. I simply take this opportunity to lend my support to Amendment 124, to which I have

added my name, and to repeat...

Member
Baroness Worthington (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 March 2020
Reference
802 cc840-1
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I wish to add briefly to what has been said. This is probably the most important thing that we could do to improve the Bill. I am always happy to listen to the experts. I regard myself not even as a particularly knowledgeable amateur in the field of...

Member
Lord Randall of Uxbridge (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 March 2020
Reference
802 c841
House
House of Lords

My Lords, we very much welcome the tabling of these amendments, all of which deal with the introduction of remote electronic monitoring cameras on vessels.

I say first that I listened very carefully to the noble Lord, Lord Krebs. I am sorry that he felt that we did not take his...

Member
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 March 2020
Reference
802 cc841-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am most grateful to my noble friend for her Amendments 77A and 80A, and to other noble Lords for their amendments, which, in various ways, seek to place requirements on fisheries licensing authorities to introduce onboard monitoring equipment and cameras on British boats and foreign vessels fishing...

Member
Lord Gardiner of Kimble (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 March 2020
Reference
802 c843
House
House of Lords

I just remind the Minister—this comes back to something the noble Baroness, Lady Worthington, said—that last Wednesday, when we last discussed the Bill, the Minister made it clear that the whole area of objectives is a devolved area, yet the Government have put all those objectives in. It seems to...

Member
Lord Teverson (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 March 2020
Reference
802 c843
House
House of Lords

I am sorry that the noble Lord finds it difficult. The objectives have been agreed with the devolved Administrations; they have asked us to legislate with the agreement of those objectives which are in Clause 1. However, as the noble Lord knows better than I, all the things I have...

Member
Lord Gardiner of Kimble (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 March 2020
Reference
802 cc843-4
House
House of Lords

Have the Scottish Parliament, the Northern Ireland Assembly and the Welsh Assembly approved these measures? The Government are saying, “These are devolved areas” and have put it in a UK-wide Bill. Parliament here is doing exactly the same. We are a UK Chamber, just as the Minister’s Government are a...

Member
Lord Teverson (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 March 2020
Reference
802 c844
House
House of Lords

I think I will take this offline with the noble Lord, because why are those schedules in the Bill, specifically requested by the devolved Administrations, giving them the powers that we are also seeking through the Bill? The Bill comes with the working, active collaboration—as I have said almost every...

Member
Lord Gardiner of Kimble (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 March 2020
Reference
802 c844
House
House of Lords

My Lords—

Member
Baroness Worthington (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 March 2020
Reference
802 c844
House
House of Lords

No, I think I must make progress. My noble friend Lady McIntosh raised this issue but we understand there are no current proposals for a Scottish fisheries Bill. This Bill is designed to give all four Administrations the powers they need in the future, out of the common fisheries policy....

Member
Lord Gardiner of Kimble (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 March 2020
Reference
802 cc844-5
House
House of Lords

I am sorry to interrupt the Minister, and I thank him for sitting down. The notion of an amendment proposing REM is not specifying a particular technology. As I mentioned in my introduction to Amendment 124, there are rapidly emerging technologies; I gave the example of Shellcatch, which works on...

Member
Lord Krebs (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 March 2020
Reference
802 c845
House
House of Lords

All I will say to the noble Lord is that some amendments referred to, for instance, cameras or whatever. If he will allow me, I will move into areas that might be more in tune with some of the other points. I agree with noble Lords that this is an...

Member
Lord Gardiner of Kimble (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 March 2020
Reference
802 cc845-7
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am grateful for this debate. I am stung by the words of the noble Baroness, Lady Jones of Whitchurch, who said I was being absolutist—which is probably very fair—but we have had a very good discussion here.

We can trade all the experts we like. I was particularly...

Member
Baroness McIntosh of Pickering (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 March 2020
Reference
802 c847
House
House of Lords

My Lords, in moving Amendment 76ZA, I shall speak also to Amendment 86 tabled by my noble friend the Duke of Montrose, who is unable to be with us today. I have added my name to his amendment as well.

I turn first to Amendment 76ZA and I shall refer in...

Member
Baroness McIntosh of Pickering (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 March 2020
Reference
802 cc829-830
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I shall speak to my own amendments in this group–Amendments 76A and 79. One of the characteristics of this Bill is that we start to talk about recreational fishing, which is an important leisure activity—not one I indulge in myself, but one I would certainly encourage.

However, there is...

Member
Lord Teverson (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 March 2020
Reference
802 c830
House
House of Lords