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Lords committee stage. Clauses 1 to 3 agreed to. Bill reported without amendment.

Lead member
Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay; Lord Greenhalgh
Department
Home Office
Type
Debates on bills
Date
29 October 2020
Reference
807 cc413-479
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am sorry that I was not able to speak at Second Reading. However, I am glad to rise to move Amendment 2, which is probing in nature but very serious. It reflects one of the problems that has arisen from actions taken

following the Grenfell tragedy. One...

Member
Baroness Neville-Rolfe (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 October 2020
Reference
807 cc425-7
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am grateful for these probing amendments in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Neville-Rolfe. I understand her point: they are clearly important and they help our further consideration of the Bill. In particular, her identification of the need for trained assessors seems extremely important; I think...

Member
Lord Shipley (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 October 2020
Reference
807 cc427-8
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I apologise for not being in the Chamber when my noble friend Lady Neville-Rolfe opened her remarks. I rise to speak in support of Amendment 2 but I will focus my remarks on Amendments 20 and 21 in particular, which deal with the need for impact assessments.

I thank...

Member
Lord Shinkwin (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 October 2020
Reference
807 cc428-9
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am keen to ensure, as many noble Lords will be, that the recommendations of the Grenfell inquiry can be implemented speedily. A key element of the amendments tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Neville-Rolfe, seeks to clarify whether the powers in Clause 2 can be used to...

Member
Baroness Pinnock (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 October 2020
Reference
807 c429
House
House of Lords

My Lords, Amendments 2, 20 and 21, all in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Neville-Rolfe, have enabled us to debate the issues that pertain to low-rise domestic premises under five storeys, and how people are kept safe. Although these buildings are not high-rise, they can still present significant...

Member
Lord Kennedy of Southwark (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 October 2020
Reference
807 c430
House
House of Lords

I thank my noble friend Lady Neville-Rolfe for raising these important issues and facilitating this useful debate. I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in it.

On Amendment 2, regarding the exclusion of low-rise buildings from the fire safety order, the order places duties on the responsible person to...

Member
Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 October 2020
Reference
807 cc431-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, warranties, guarantees and insurance should, in many cases, be the way forward in resolving these problems, but, sadly, some construction companies, warranty providers and insurance companies are seeking to get out of their obligation to provide what people have paid for. That is not acceptable, and I hope...

Member
Lord Kennedy of Southwark (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 October 2020
Reference
807 c434
House
House of Lords

I thank the noble Lord for his further point. I hope I can reassure him that my noble friend the Minister and the Housing Minister will be meeting the NHBC to discuss those very points.

Member
Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 October 2020
Reference
807 c434
House
House of Lords

My Lords, first, I thank all noble Lords who have participated in this debate, and I am especially grateful to my noble friend Lord Shinkwin for his very moving example. I also express my thanks to the noble Lord, Lord Kennedy, and the noble Baroness, Lady Pinnock, for their support.

The...

Member
Baroness Neville-Rolfe (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 October 2020
Reference
807 c435
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I remind the House of my interests, as recorded in the register, as a councillor in Kirklees and a vice-president of the Local Government Association. I thank the noble Lord, Lord Bourne, for tabling these amendments to include provision for improving the safety of electrical appliances in the...

Member
Baroness Pinnock (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 October 2020
Reference
807 c421
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I draw the attention of the House to my relevant registered interests as a vice-president of the Local Government Association, chair of the Heart of Medway Housing Association and a non-executive director of mhs homes. Amendment 1, moved by the noble Lord, Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth, with cross-party...

Member
Lord Kennedy of Southwark (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 October 2020
Reference
807 cc422-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I would say first that we do need to look at the effective Berlin Wall between social housing and private housing, and in mixed sustainable communities where there are different tenures, we need to look at how we can ensure consistency and thus the safety of all residents....

Member
Lord Greenhalgh (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 October 2020
Reference
807 cc423-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have participated in the discussion of these two amendments in the first group. I think that there is a genuine desire across the Committee, even in those who have raised difficulties in doing something. Unless I am wrong, there is a recognition...

Member
Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 October 2020
Reference
807 cc424-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank all those who have participated in the debate for their support for the general idea that we ought to know what we are doing before we do it. I do not think that that is a particularly extreme requirement and I was extremely pleased to hear...

Member
Lord Stunell (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 October 2020
Reference
807 c442
House
House of Lords

My Lords, we come to a substantial group containing Amendments 5, 6, 7 and 9 in my name, and Amendments 15, 16 and 17 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Pinnock.

Amendment 5 seeks to make progress in respect of the recommendations of the first phase of the Grenfell...

Member
Lord Kennedy of Southwark (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 October 2020
Reference
807 cc443-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 15, 16 and 17, variously in the names of myself and my noble friends Lady Pinnock and Lord Shipley. Again, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Kennedy, for his helpful remarks and support: as his amendments show, we have similar views.

Our debate on...

Member
Lord Stunell (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 October 2020
Reference
807 cc444-6
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I have added my name to most of the amendments in the name of my noble friend Lord Kennedy. He has explained the objectives of the proposed new clauses extremely well, so I will not add much to that. I particularly emphasise the need for the accreditation and...

Member
Lord Whitty (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 October 2020
Reference
807 cc446-7
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I strongly support all the amendments in this group because they would help improve standards immensely. My name is attached to Amendments 15 and 17.

The purpose of Amendment 15, which is also in the name of my noble friend Lady Pinnock, is to secure an up-to-date public register...

Member
Lord Shipley (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 October 2020
Reference
807 c447
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I do not disagree that the amendment should be withdrawn. The noble Lord, Lord Shipley, my noble friend Lady Eaton and the noble Baroness, Lady Pinnock, have drawn attention to the problem that I raised earlier about leaseholders caught by the Government’s Grenfell-related changes being unable to afford...

Member
Baroness Neville-Rolfe (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
29 October 2020
Reference
807 c456
House
House of Lords