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Motion that the House sit in private. Negatived on question. Second reading. Debate suspended for urgent question.

Lead member
Bob Blackman
Type
Debates on bills
Date
18 November 2022
Reference
722 cc939-959
House
House of Commons

I beg to move, That the House sit in private.

Question put forthwith (Standing Order No. 163).

Member
Chris Clarkson (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 November 2022
Reference
722 c939
House
House of Commons

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.

The private Member’s Bill process, and the ballot at the start of every Session of Parliament, gives all of us the opportunity to apply to champion a cause that we believe will make a real difference to society....

Member
Bob Blackman (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 November 2022
Reference
722 cc940-2
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman is making a powerful case. I have come across an instance where the sorts of properties that he is talking about have the added problem that, in order to get around some of the regulations that would normally have to be complied with, people have to sign...

Member
Mark Tami (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 November 2022
Reference
722 c941
House
House of Commons

One of the problems with exempt accommodation is that once it has become exempt, normal licensing rules on houses of multiple occupation, and other rules, go out the window. There is therefore no control whatsoever over what happens within that property. Frequently, the support that providers were supplying involved someone...

Member
Bob Blackman (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 November 2022
Reference
722 c941
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman is making a really good speech. When I visited Croydon jobcentre, I was told that support-exempt accommodation was the biggest problem faced, and that young people who could be working, doing things with their lives and be on the right path, were encouraged not to do so...

Member
Sarah Jones (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 November 2022
Reference
722 c941
House
House of Commons

Clearly, one problem is that we do not know where all these properties are. We do not have the data right now. The hon. Lady will obviously know about Croydon, and we have concentrated on Birmingham. We know about Blackpool, Scarborough, Southwark, and certain other places in the country, but...

Member
Bob Blackman (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 November 2022
Reference
722 c943
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend may remember the evidence given to the Select Committee of a local authority in the south-east of England that had a case where a block allocated to exempt accommodation was sold and flipped overnight into an offshore property fund for hundreds of times the sale price. It...

Member
Ben Everitt (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 November 2022
Reference
722 c943
House
House of Commons

I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention. The example he cites is, of course, of millions of pounds. Not small amounts of money but millions of pounds are going offshore as a result of this issue.

Another common theme in the report was the neglect of interest in residents’ previous...

Member
Bob Blackman (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 November 2022
Reference
722 cc943-5
House
House of Commons

rose—

Member
Sarah Jones (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 November 2022
Reference
722 c944
House
House of Commons

I knew I would tempt someone.

Member
Bob Blackman (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 November 2022
Reference
722 c944
House
House of Commons

No, I will ask a different question. I wonder if the hon. Gentleman has engaged with Minister in the Department for Work and Pensions on the cost of housing benefit for supported exempt accommodation. Do we have any sense of the scale of what is being paid out, quite often...

Member
Sarah Jones (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 November 2022
Reference
722 c944
House
House of Commons

I thank the hon. Member for that contribution. We have indeed engaged with DWP Ministers. We believe, and it is mentioned in the report, that literally millions of pounds could be saved by preventing rogue landlords from getting away with what they are getting away with. However, the data does...

Member
Bob Blackman (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 November 2022
Reference
722 cc944-7
House
House of Commons

One is struck, on reading the Bill, by how many times the word “may” is used rather than “must”. I wonder whether the hon. Member could perhaps give us a sense of why that particular wording was chosen for clauses 4 and 3, to which he has previously referred.

Member
Matthew Pennycook (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 November 2022
Reference
722 c947
House
House of Commons

We are seeking to have a number of permissive clauses in the Bill, so that if the things that have to be done are done and they work, and we drive the rogue providers out of the market, we will not need to initiate the other measures. However, I was...

Member
Bob Blackman (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 November 2022
Reference
722 cc947-952
House
House of Commons

I am delighted to speak in today’s debate, and I thank the hon. Member for Harrow East (Bob Blackman) for his decision to use his Private Member’s Bill slot to address some of the issues in the supported exempt accommodation sector. They are issues that are close to my heart,...

Member
Shabana Mahmood (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 November 2022
Reference
722 cc951-6
House
House of Commons

The hon. Lady is right to want to ensure that standards and an inspection regime are in place. Does she feel that there should be a complaints procedure as well, which could be raised with the bodies, so that if someone is running into trouble, they have that back-up?

Member
Luke Evans (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 November 2022
Reference
722 c955
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman is right, and I was just about to make that point. A complaints procedure is necessary to protect, for example, the two constituents whose case I have already highlighted. They are effectively being punished for escalating a complaint to their elected Member of Parliament. We need a...

Member
Shabana Mahmood (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 November 2022
Reference
722 c955
House
House of Commons

Perhaps I am about to repeat the mistake made by my hon. Friend the Member for Bosworth (Dr Evans) and this may be a point that the hon. Lady is about to come to. Further to licensing, the inspections regime and the complaints regime, does she not agree that we...

Member
Ben Everitt (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 November 2022
Reference
722 c955
House
House of Commons

The hon. Member makes an important point: we absolutely need enforcement. I might also observe that we need some money in order to pay for that enforcement—it does not happen automatically. There is no magic wand that can be waved to make sure that enforcement takes place: it requires staff,...

Member
Shabana Mahmood (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
18 November 2022
Reference
722 cc955-7
House
House of Commons