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My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords taking part in this debate. I pay particular tribute to the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Oxford for his leadership in advocating for digital systems to reflect our ethics and values, who today makes his valedictory speech.

Anyone who has heard...

Member
Baroness Kidron (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1240-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, we stand today at a moment of profound vulnerability for the United Kingdom. Our economic security, our national safety and even our long-term sovereignty are at massive risk because we do not yet host or own enough of our own computing infrastructure, our own cloud services or our...

Member
Baroness Berger (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1244-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, it is time for the formal and ritual congratulations to the noble Baroness, Kidron, not merely on starting the debate but for recognising her enormous energy, concentration and focus on the real issues, which I am glad we are debating now at the end of this term. Of...

Member
Lord Howell of Guildford (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1245-7
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, for facilitating this debate on such an important topic. It is, as always, a pleasure to follow my noble friend, who makes such thoughtful contributions.

I want to concentrate on artificial intelligence. As I think we all know, alongside magnificent...

Member
Baroness Stowell of Beeston (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1247-8
House
House of Lords

My Lords, my congratulations and gratitude go to the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, for securing this debate. Though it feels like we have an almost weekly debate in your Lordships’ House on one aspect or another of AI, I think it is most welcome, given that this is one of...

Member
Baroness Gill (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1248-9
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am grateful for the opportunity to take part in this debate, and I add to the plaudits directed at the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, who has prosecuted her agenda on digital safety and digital rights for more than a decade with acute skill and has certainly moved...

Member
Lord Vaizey of Didcot (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1249-1251
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, for securing this debate and for a powerful and incisive introduction which rightly identified that what we are talking about today is a constitutional issue—among the many that the British state currently faces, which has a lot to do with the...

Member
Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle (Green Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1251-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I refer to my membership of a number of APPGs on digital inclusion. I also congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, on securing this debate today. Like her, I am not against technology, AI or any of the platforms that exist. However, I worry about the numbers of...

Member
Baroness Verma (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1252-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I, too, welcome the initiative from the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron. I have just finished her book, and it is a good read, but I have only one niggle: I really gasp at the cost of hardbacks. Maybe I am stingy, but they told me it is a...

Member
Lord Moraes (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1253-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, it is a pleasure to take part in this debate. In doing so, I declare my relevant technology interests as adviser to the Crown Estate and to Simmons & Simmons LLP.

I must start by congratulating my friend, the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, on her brilliant and blistering introduction...

Member
Lord Holmes of Richmond (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1254-6
House
House of Lords

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Holmes, and I thank him for all his work. Echoing all the praises, I, too,

express my gratitude to my friend, the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, for her very powerful leadership, including in this debate.

My contribution today is...

Member
Baroness Uddin (Non-affiliated)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1256-8
House
House of Lords

I am finishing. We must do everything we can to ensure that AI does not become sovereign over Britain. We cannot wait for others to determine the future of our citizens and our children.

Member
Baroness Uddin (Non-affiliated)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1258
House
House of Lords

We must invent it with honour and dignity for human lives.

Member
Baroness Uddin (Non-affiliated)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1258
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I declare my interests as a science entrepreneur and, in particular, my roles as chairman and shareholder in Locai Labs and Freevolt Technologies. I add my congratulations to the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, on securing this debate and, frankly, her outstanding impact in campaigning against the harms of...

Member
Lord Drayson (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1259-1260
House
House of Lords

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Drayson. We share our views on the Science and Technology Committee. I know his passion and commitment for British technology. I also thank the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, for securing this debate at this crucial time, and declare...

Member
Lord Ranger of Northwood (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1260-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I too begin by thanking the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, for once again bringing us together for this important conversation at a moment in time when AI is emerging as the operating system of all our lives.

In May, I cautioned this House that frontier AI systems were shaping...

Member
Baroness Shields (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1262-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I declare an interest as a consultant to DLA Piper on AI policy and regulation and as chair of the board of the Authors’ Licensing Collecting Society. I join other noble Lords in congratulating the noble Baroness, Lady Lloyd, on her reappointment, but the bed of nails that...

Member
Lord Clement-Jones (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1265-8
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I too thank the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, for securing this important debate, and I thank all those who participated. It has been fascinating throughout and brilliant points have been made from all sides. I welcome the return of the Minister to her place. As ever, the reward...

Member
Viscount Camrose (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1268-1270
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I welcome the opportunity to respond to this debate and I, too, thank the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, for bringing forward the discussion on this significant issue. Despite the fact that we discuss the important issues of AI once or possibly twice a week, I always find that...

Member
Baroness Lloyd of Effra (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1270-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I start by disappointing the noble Lord, Lord Holmes: there will be no biopic about me, but Oxford University is currently building a “Baroness Bee” chatbot that might help my productivity. I apologise for the cost of the hardback book, but let me say that I have donated...

Member
Baroness Kidron (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1275
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am pleased to open this debate on the important role of current level 3 qualifications for the creative industries and the potential impact of their replacement with T-levels and V-levels. While this debate affects the wider creative industries, I will focus on music education and the BRIT...

Member
Baroness Keeley (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1289-1295
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am grateful to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Keeley, so early in this debate, and I thank her for securing this subject for us to discuss. I echo much of what she said, which I will return to in a moment.

I congratulate the Minister on surviving the...

Member
Lord Vaizey of Didcot (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1295-7
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Keeley, for initiating this debate. I should also like to give a shout out to level 1 and level 2 qualifications, because level 1 may go to an adult who has never gained a national qualification, and the boost to confidence around...

Member
Baroness Garden of Frognal (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1297-9
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I remind the House of my education interests, in particular as a member of Pearson’s qualifications committee. It is always a joy to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Garden, and I, too, pay tribute to the noble Baroness, Lady Keeley, for securing and introducing this debate. I add...

Member
Lord Knight of Weymouth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1299-1300
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lady Keeley for introducing this debate in such a thoughtful and compelling way. I am delighted to follow my noble friend Lord Knight.

This House has many times focused on the importance of the creative industries to the economy and our social fabric. It...

Member
Baroness Warwick of Undercliffe (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1300-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Keeley, for securing this very well patronised debate, our last debate before Recess. It was pointed out in the last debate that I am taking part in all three debates today, and one of the advantages of that is that you can...

Member
Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle (Green Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1302-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend Lady Keeley for initiating this important debate on the future of post-16 creative education, an area that is often neglected when we focus on universities —it is the Cinderella sector, as many have noted. I declare an interest as the chair...

Member
Lord Isaac (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1303-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I warmly thank my noble friend Lady Keeley for securing this debate and warmly welcome my noble friend the Minister back to her place.

To add to the statistics, Skills England estimates that the creative industries will need to fill around 1 million vacancies by 2035, a significant increase....

Member
Baroness Caine of Kentish Town (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1305-6
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I join the chorus and thank the noble Baroness, Lady Keeley, for securing this debate. I associate myself with the comments she made. It is an honour to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Caine, with her track record in leadership at Goldsmiths. It is thanks to that college...

Member
Baroness Gill (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1306-8
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I congratulate my noble friend Lady Keeley on securing this important debate. I know from many conversations with her that she is utterly passionate about support for education in the creative industries and that she brings real expertise to this subject. I have enjoyed this debate so far,...

Member
Lord John of Southwark (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1308-9
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am delighted to participate in this debate. I am by no means an expert in the field that we are debating; I know very little about creative qualifications, but I have been involved in the creative industries for most of my career. My first career, I suppose,...

Member
Baroness Kingsmill (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1309-1310
House
House of Lords

My Lords, my noble friend Lady Keeley has done us all a service by facilitating this important debate in an area—the development of a new landscape for 16 to 19 qualifications —that has been the source of more than a little controversy since the introduction of T-levels in 2020. I...

Member
Lord Watson of Invergowrie (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1310-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, as the last Back-Bench speaker I have to congratulate my noble friend Lady Keeley on having promoted a really interesting debate in which, on the whole, I have very little to disagree with and little extra to add. I should congratulate my noble friend the Minister, were she...

Member
Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1312-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I congratulate the Minister on being in her place, although a debate when you have 10 Back-Benchers behind you, all firing shots at the back of your neck, may not be the most welcome way of coming back. They may not all be killing blows, but they are...

Member
Lord Addington (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1313-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, we thank the noble Baroness, Lady Keeley, for securing this debate and for her long record of work with the arts on protecting copyright for creators against generative AI, championing inclusive music and arts education and advocating for the financial resilience of the UK’s theatre and cultural sectors.

It...

Member
Earl of Effingham (Conservative; Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1315-7
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I start by thanking my

noble friend Lady Keeley for introducing this debate, and noble Lords around the House for congratulating me on maintaining my role. I am absolutely delighted about it, not least because what would I do on a Thursday afternoon if I did not have...

Member
Baroness Smith of Malvern (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1317-1323
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I welcome the Minister’s reappointment, and I was glad to hear almost everybody else mention that. We are so glad to see her back with us and thank her for what she has just said.

I shall reflect for a moment or two on the debate. The noble Lord,...

Member
Baroness Keeley (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1323-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, in adjourning, I hope the House will indulge me in wishing all noble Lords, the clerks, the staff—especially the doorkeepers—and everyone involved in the House a very happy and restful Summer Recess.

Member
Lord Katz (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1324
House
House of Lords

I echo that. Have a very well-earned rest.

Member
Baroness Garden of Frognal (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1324
House
House of Lords

Excuse me.

Member
Baroness Ramsey of Wall Heath (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1258
House
House of Lords

I apologise to the noble Lord, but this is a timed debate, so can he come to his conclusion?

Member
Lord Katz (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1283
House
House of Lords

I must ask the noble Baroness to conclude her remarks, please.

Member
Baroness Ramsey of Wall Heath (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1258
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I remind some Members that the speaking time limit is six minutes for Back-Benchers. I urge all noble Lords to keep within that limit so that the debate may conclude within the time allowed, without cutting short the Minister’s remarks.

1.25 pm

Member
Baroness Ramsey of Wall Heath (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1258-9
House
House of Lords

My Lords, it is a real honour to take part in this debate, and I join others in thanking the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, for her penetrating analysis.

In the words of our new Prime Minister on the steps of Downing Street a few days ago:

“Britain needs to show the world...

Member
Bishop of Oxford (Bishops (affiliation); Bishops (affiliation))
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1263-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I begin by congratulating the Minister on what appear to be yet more responsibilities that she is taking on. I welcome this opportunity to debate with her what the Government plan to do to reduce gambling harm among children and young people. In doing so, I declare my...

Member
Lord Foster of Bath (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1276-8
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Foster, on securing this short debate and on his long-standing work on preventing gambling harms. Like him, I am very pleased to see the Minister continuing in her role at DCMS.

I will focus on the international implications of gambling harms experienced by...

Member
Baroness Anelay of St Johns (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1277-9
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Foster, for bringing this debate and for the unfailing, tireless work he does in this area. I declare my interest as medical director of the Primary Care Gambling Service, which treats patients experiencing gambling-related harms in services across England.

No matter...

Member
Baroness Gerada (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1279-1280
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Foster of Bath, for tabling this debate on reducing gambling harm among young people. That sounds admirable but, hot on the heels of the Academy of Ideas World Cup sweepstake, organised by one of our young team, Jake Weston, an enthusiastic gambler...

Member
Baroness Fox of Buckley (Non-affiliated)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1280-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I join others in congratulating the Minister on her reappointment. We are discussing gambling harm among young people, but perhaps we should spare a thought to the trauma caused to the Ministers responsible for gambling policy. I apologise if I am about to add to that.

Children under 18...

Member
Lord Herbert of South Downs (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1282-3
House
House of Lords

I shall conclude in five seconds. With a new Prime Minister and new priorities, I respectfully suggest that this would be a good time to recalibrate a misguided and ill-targeted policy, give clear direction to the Gambling Commission and focus on the real issue here, which is problematic and harmful...

Member
Lord Herbert of South Downs (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1283
House
House of Lords

My Lords, in following the noble Lord, Lord Herbert, I put on the record that the Green Party very much supports the affordability checks that the Government are planning to introduce. We have an awful lot of money sloshing around in the UK economy in all sorts of areas, and...

Member
Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle (Green Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1283-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I commend the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett, for speaking in all three debates today, and I too congratulate the Minister on her additional appointment. I congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Foster, on securing this debate. He has identified a problem that requires government action. However, action by government...

Member
Lord Norton of Louth (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1285-6
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Foster for bringing this subject before us. It is a difficult one. We all know why it is a difficult one. If you are taking money out of somebody’s pocket for gambling, it is not there for other subjects. It can become...

Member
Lord Addington (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1286-7
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Foster of Bath, for this very important debate. I also welcome the noble Baroness, Lady Twycross, back to her place.

First, it is important to define what is meant by young people. Those under the age of 18 are classed as children and,...

Member
Lord Evans of Rainow (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1287-8
House
House of Lords

My Lords, this has been an important debate, and I thank the noble Lord, Lord Foster of Bath, for securing it and all noble Lords who took part. I also thank noble Lords from across the House for their kind words.

Let me be clear: this Government are fully committed to...

Member
Baroness Twycross (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1288-1291
House
House of Lords

My Lords, before turning to the substance of the noble Earl’s Question, I first pay tribute to PC Andrew Harper and his family and friends, particularly his widow, Lissie, and his mother, Debbie, who have both spoken so movingly about his case in recent days. PC Harper dedicated his life...

Member
Lord Katz (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1235-6
House
House of Lords

I thank the Minister for his response. Noble Lords on the Conservative Benches have been tabling and voting for amendments to secure exemptions from this early release scheme since November last year, amendments that were defeated by noble Lords on the Government and Liberal Democrat Benches. Why did it take...

Member
Earl of Effingham (Conservative; Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1236
House
House of Lords

To be very clear, it is only right that the new Prime Minister has a look across the board at the Government’s policies. Nobody in your Lordships’ House will be in any doubt about the horrific murder of PC Andrew Harper. It is only right that the Prime Minister, along...

Member
Lord Katz (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1236
House
House of Lords

My Lords, it is always a pleasure to listen to the Minister. Can I say how sorry I am that the noble Baroness, Lady Levitt, is no longer a Minister in this Government? She displayed conspicuous ability, responsiveness to noble Lords who raised points and manifest integrity. It is a...

Member
Lord Pannick (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1236
House
House of Lords

I thank the noble Lord for his question. I was remiss in not doing so earlier, but I join him in paying tribute to my colleague, my noble friend Lady Levitt, and, indeed, to my noble friend Lord Timpson, for all the hard work that they have done, particularly in...

Member
Lord Katz (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1236-7
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I echo the sentiments of the noble Lord, Lord Pannick. Andy Burnham uses the northern phrase that we have to “get it”. What is the point of getting it when you lose Ministers of the quality of the noble Lord, Lord Timpson, and the noble Baroness, Lady Levitt,...

Member
Lord Goddard of Stockport (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1237
House
House of Lords

I thank the noble Lord for his question. We are all about restoring public confidence in the criminal justice system. That includes, as I said, making good the sore lack of investment that we saw in our prison system. It is important to be clear that victims are at all...

Member
Lord Katz (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1237
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank my noble friend for the answers he has given so far. I think it is well recognised that housing and access to housing is one of the primary determinants of whether an individual reoffends, regardless of whether they are released early or within the course of...

Member
Lord Roe of West Wickham (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1237
House
House of Lords

My noble friend is right. One of the things that the Sentencing Act did was eradicate—I might even call it a travesty—Friday release, whereby people were released from prison with nowhere to go and no chance of having anywhere to go. When people say they have beaten a drug or...

Member
Lord Katz (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1237
House
House of Lords

My Lords—

Member
Baroness Foster of Aghadrumsee (Non-affiliated)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1238
House
House of Lords

My Lords—

Member
Lord Garnier (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1238
House
House of Lords

My Lords, we will hear from the noble Baroness, Lady Foster, and then from the Conservative Benches.

Member
Lord Kennedy of Southwark (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1238
House
House of Lords

My Lords, as the daughter of a police officer who was the subject of an attempted murder attack by the IRA when I was a child, and as the wife of a retired police officer, I was absolutely appalled and dismayed when I heard the news that the killers of...

Member
Baroness Foster of Aghadrumsee (Non-affiliated)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1238
House
House of Lords

I pay tribute to the noble Baroness and the testimony that we have heard just now. We understand how difficult this is. I want to be very clear that more than 18,000 offenders will be unaffected by these reforms. We will, obviously, as part of these reforms, communicate openly with...

Member
Lord Katz (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1238
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the Minister was entirely right to refer to the noble Baroness, Lady Levitt, and the noble Lord, Lord Timpson, particularly in the context of this Question. On 1 July, I reminded the noble Lord, Lord Timpson, that

“there are 3,650 women in prison in England and Wales”

and that about...

Member
Lord Garnier (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1238
House
House of Lords

I say to the noble and learned Lord that this is about ensuring that we have confidence in the whole of our criminal justice system, including the courts and the prison estate, but also the probation system. I have no doubt that, when the Prime Minister and the Lord Chancellor...

Member
Lord Katz (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1238
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the early release scheme came from earned progression, the concept behind David Gauke’s proposals. Progression, of course, includes rehabilitation. The Minister has already mentioned the Probation Service. The noble Lord, Lord Timpson, was clear that there had to be time taken to expand the Probation Service, as you...

Member
Baroness Hamwee (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1239
House
House of Lords

The noble Baroness is correct, and I know that is why my noble friend Lord Timpson spent so much time focusing on probation, as well as the prison estate. That is why we are investing a record amount of ÂŁ700 million in probation and associated activities. For instance, we are...

Member
Lord Katz (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1239
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I join the Minister and support everything he said in relation to the family of PC Andrew Harper. I note what he said in response to my noble friend Lord Effingham. The Minister is keen to relate everything to the past, but this is about the future. I...

Member
Lord Davies of Gower (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1239
House
House of Lords

To answer that last point first, this Government, like the previous Government and like every Member of your Lordships’ House, certainly consider the murder of police officers, or anybody involved in protecting us—such as those in the emergency services who would run to danger when we might run

away from...

Member
Lord Katz (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
23 July 2026
Reference
858 c1239
House
House of Lords

My Lords, today I pay tribute to Lord Laming. His lifetime of public service has left an indelible mark on the whole fabric of British social work, public management and the very conscience of our nation. Herbert’s journey into the public sphere began with a deeply practical grounding, dedicating 20...

Member
Baroness Smith of Basildon (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 July 2026
Reference
858 c1133
House
House of Lords

I thank the noble Baroness the Leader for her marvellous tribute. Like her, I convey our sincerest sympathy to Herbert’s family and friends.

I never heard Herbert raise his voice. Perhaps he did if he ever had a recalcitrant dog, but I doubt that, because Herbert would have calmed the dog,...

Member
Lord True (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1133-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, it is a privilege to follow the noble Lord, Lord True, and the Leader, and their very eloquent and emotional tributes to Herbert. Herbert was Convenor of the Cross Benches when I entered this House in 2013. He was always helpful, courteous and polite. For the whole of...

Member
Lord Purvis of Tweed (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 July 2026
Reference
858 c1134
House
House of Lords

My Lords, it is a great privilege to follow three such wonderful speeches that have so captured the man who is so dear to my colleagues on the Cross Bench here. Herbert Laming was born in 1936. He left school at 15, and in 1954 he was called up for...

Member
Earl of Kinnoull (Conservative; Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1136-7
House
House of Lords

My Lords, it is with great sadness that the Lords spiritual join all noble Lords in marking the passing of Lord Laming, a great friend to so many of my colleagues, a man whose life of public service spanned many decades and whose influence was felt far beyond the institutions...

Member
Bishop of Hereford (Bishops (affiliation); Bishops (affiliation); Bishops (affiliation); Bishops (affiliation))
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1137-8
House
House of Lords

My Lords, Lord Laming fulfilled his role as Chairman of Committees with considerable distinction. He was dedicated to the service of your Lordships’ House, and indeed, as we have heard, his appointment steadied the ship. He would be a hard act to follow, and his support for his successors as...

Member
Lord Gardiner of Kimble (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 July 2026
Reference
858 c1138
House
House of Lords

My Lords, Herbert Laming, as Chairman of Committees, was the one who enabled us to set up a foreign affairs Committee; we called it the International Relations Committee. At last, after many struggles and many years, he enabled it to happen. That committee, of course, has been an outstanding success...

Member
Lord Howell of Guildford (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 July 2026
Reference
858 c1138
House
House of Lords

My Lords, as we have heard, the death of Lord Laming, or Herbert as so many of us knew him, is a loss felt deeply across all these Benches. He was unapologetic in his determined campaigning to highlight the day-to-day pressures and achievements of those working in the social services...

Member
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean (Lord Speaker)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 July 2026
Reference
858 cc1138-9
House
House of Lords

My Lords, before I respond to the noble Lord’s Question, I first want to say that in the last couple of weeks, we have been seeing each other across the Dispatch Box quite regularly, and it is arousing some suspicion from my wife.

I welcome the opportunity to respond to the...

Member
Lord Leong (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 July 2026
Reference
858 c1152
House
House of Lords

My Lords, we should not have had to read in the Financial Times earlier this week that the Government had made specific changes to the steel tariff regime for a particular country, India, following negotiations over one of the United Kingdom’s most important trade agreements. I welcome the opening words...

Member
Lord Hunt of Wirral (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 July 2026
Reference
858 c1152
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will just say to the noble Lord that it was a pretty good try. First, there has been no change to India’s category 4 quota compared to the provisional quota published in April 2026. We did not negotiate quotas with any countries apart from our agreed outcome...

Member
Lord Leong (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 July 2026
Reference
858 c1152
House
House of Lords

My Lords, nearly 40,000 people are involved in steel production in this country. However, 400,000 people are involved in manufacturing as a byproduct from steel. It is really important that both sides of that industry are protected. My fear is that these tariffs may actually affect badly the manufacturing side...

Member
Lord Mohammed of Tinsley (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 July 2026
Reference
858 c1152
House
House of Lords

My Lords, first, employment impacts form part of the Government’s wider assessment when determining any future steel trade measures. Our objective is to protect jobs throughout the steel

supply chain, both in primary steel production and among downstream manufacturers. We continue to engage closely with producers, manufacturers and trade bodies...

Member
Lord Leong (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 July 2026
Reference
858 c1152
House
House of Lords

My Lords, while there is a case for protection for speciality steels for sectors like the nuclear industry, surely the Government’s wider policy on quotas and tariffs is harmful to British industry as a whole. The awkward reality is that the domestic steel industry cannot supply the total demand in...

Member
Lord Lamont of Lerwick (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 July 2026
Reference
858 c1153
House
House of Lords

I thank the noble Lord for the questions. I think I responded to the noble Lord on Monday on a particular Urgent Question on steel and addressed the tariff issue. However, I will address his point about imports. We have carried out a programme of extensive engagement with industry, as...

Member
Lord Leong (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 July 2026
Reference
858 c1153
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I welcome what the Government did in protecting the steel industry in this country, but do we not need to do a lot more to develop our resilience and reduce our dependence? Was the danger here not of Chinese domination of the industry? The Government were right to...

Member
Lord Alton of Liverpool (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 July 2026
Reference
858 c1153
House
House of Lords

I will first address the issue on British Steel, which I am sure is what the noble Lord is referring to. We took British Steel into public ownership immediately after we passed the Steel Industry (Nationalisation) Act. As it stands, under the Act, we will appoint an independent valuer to...

Member
Lord Leong (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 July 2026
Reference
858 c1153
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the Minister will be aware, from our earlier discussion on the steel legislation that went through this House, of my concern relating to the availability of steel for defence purposes. Can he

give an assurance that in considering these changes the Government have given full attention to the...

Member
Lord Wigley (Plaid Cymru)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 July 2026
Reference
858 c1153
House
House of Lords

I remember our exchanges across the Dispatch Box. As I said then, I will say now that we are mindful of the specialised steel used in any of the industries that require a speciality type of steel. We will monitor the usage but, as it stands, any steel that is...

Member
Lord Leong (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 July 2026
Reference
858 c1154
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his answers. He is always informative, courteous and diligent at that Dispatch Box. If it is true that we have, as reported, widened the quota for India, we have presumably done so on two very sensible grounds. The first is good...

Member
Lord Hannan of Kingsclere (Non-affiliated)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 July 2026
Reference
858 c1154
House
House of Lords

I thank the noble Lord for those kind words. We do not import steel only from India. In fact, the largest import of steel is actually from the EU, followed very closely by Vietnam, then India, and not forgetting South Korea. Those are the principal importers of steel into this...

Member
Lord Leong (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 July 2026
Reference
858 c1154
House
House of Lords

My Lords, following on from the noble Lord, Lord Hannan, why does the Minister think that the overwhelming majority of economists say that tariffs harm the economy?

Member
Earl of Effingham (Conservative; Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 July 2026
Reference
858 c1154
House
House of Lords

I refer the noble Earl to other countries such as Canada and the USA, and to the EU. We are not the only country that has import tariffs. When a particular sector is impacted and it impacts on our domestic supply, it is right to have tariffs in place to...

Member
Lord Leong (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 July 2026
Reference
858 c1154
House
House of Lords

My Lords, government action on this in the workforce is extremely welcome, because for many years our domestic steel industry was threatened by the dumping of cheap Chinese steel. This action was motivated by trying to give our steel industry a chance to grow, to win and to

provide the...

Member
Baroness O'Grady of Upper Holloway (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 July 2026
Reference
858 c1154
House
House of Lords

My noble friend is absolutely right. We currently review tariffs, and, as it stands, we are committed to reviewing them again at the end of the 12-month period. I state again that the quotas in place were informed by evidence and analysis of market conditions. Where steels products are not...

Member
Lord Leong (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 July 2026
Reference
858 c1155
House
House of Lords