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I do not want to get into hypotheticals, but what I will say is that the pre-2011 position worked extremely well. There is a reason why it worked well and it was proven to have functioned correctly. We seek to go back to a proven, tried and tested system, which...

Member
Michael Ellis (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c643
House
House of Commons

Does my right hon. and learned Friend share my disbelief at some of the opposition to the current position, especially as we recall the chaos that led to the last general election and the frustration among the public when Parliament, in many people’s eyes, seemed to lose the respect of...

Member
Alun Cairns (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c643
House
House of Commons

Good constitutional practice involves protecting the integrity of the legislature, the Executive and the judiciary and, in our view, the proposals do that and this amendment would not, so I agree with what my right hon. Friend says.

Member
Michael Ellis (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c643
House
House of Commons

I sat on the Joint Committee that reviewed the 2011 Act and we spent long, productive and interesting hours looking at it. Does my right hon. and learned Friend agree that it is really unproductive to look at our future arrangements in the context of what happened in 2019, just...

Member
Jackie Doyle-Price (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c643
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend is completely right. In fact, it is difficult to expostulate all the different scenarios that may occur in future, so it is best to avoid that, but we know what worked well—the status quo ante the 2011 Act.

As I say, we have experienced the consequences of a...

Member
Michael Ellis (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 cc643-4
House
House of Commons

The Minister responded to the hon. Member for Thurrock (Jackie Doyle-Price) by saying that he fully agreed with her excellent statement, but he is in essence doing the exact opposite. Why this paradoxical situation?

Member
Tanmanjeet Singh Dhesi (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c644
House
House of Commons

I am obviously not doing that. We are able to see where mistakes have been made and where things have gone well in the past, and we see that in the pre-2011 position—the position we are seeking to achieve and that Labour sought to achieve in its manifesto, as did...

Member
Michael Ellis (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c644
House
House of Commons

May I refer my right hon. and learned Friend to “The Crown”, of which I am sure he was an avid viewer? In answer to the intervention by the hon. Member for Cardiff West (Kevin Brennan), is my right hon. and learned Friend familiar with the Lascelles principles, as written...

Member
William Wragg (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c644
House
House of Commons

The Lascelles principles are something we still respect. One of the fundamental tenets of Sir Alan Lascelles’ letter was the fact that we wished to avoid any suggestion that the sovereign be involved in politics.

The amendment, as I was saying, is silent on the issue of the negative consequences. The...

Member
Michael Ellis (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 cc644-5
House
House of Commons

I am grateful for the opportunity to speak for the Opposition in this debate.

I listened very carefully to the case that the Minister made for his motion to remove Lords amendment 1 to clause 2. I was sad to hear it, and I think we could do better. He is...

Member
Alex Norris (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 cc645-6
House
House of Commons

Does my hon. Friend think there is any possibility that a future Government, or this Government given their past record, might abuse the power to dissolve Parliament in the way that they abused the power to prorogue Parliament during that period through a disgraceful hoodwinking of Her Majesty the Queen?

Member
Lord Brennan of Canton (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c646
House
House of Commons

I am grateful for that intervention. I strongly believe in the maxim that how you do one thing is how you do everything, and I believe that the same cast of characters will broadly act in the same way at every opportunity. That tends to be, as with all the...

Member
Alex Norris (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c646
House
House of Commons

How is it an abuse of power and a strengthening of the Executive for the Executive to say, “We want to go to the people and let the people decide whether we should be allowed to continue in government or be chucked out”?

Member
Julian Lewis (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c646
House
House of Commons

The Lords amendment is a very modest safeguard to that in saying, “At least demonstrate that a majority of the legislature agrees with you.” It is not unreasonable to say that Parliament could be involved in the Dissolution process in the way that noble Lords have said. It is a...

Member
Alex Norris (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c646
House
House of Commons

I do not think it was a dreadful election—it was a brilliant election. What was dreadful was the fact that it was in the power of the Opposition to stop that election happening and to not allow the people to have their say.

Member
Julian Lewis (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c646
House
House of Commons

I cannot agree with the right hon. Gentleman. The idea that it was dreadful that a Government who did not command a majority of this House could not just always get their way—that is how the system is supposed to work, I gently suggest.

Where a Government have a clear working...

Member
Alex Norris (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c647
House
House of Commons

The point is this: why should an Opposition, when facing a minority Government who want to resolve things via an election, be able to stop an election? They either have to form a coalition of their majority and govern, which is one option, or allow the public to decide. It...

Member
Lord Redwood (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c647
House
House of Commons

I cannot agree with the right hon. Gentleman, because the reality is that before those parties could even come together to form that possible alternative Government, the Prime Minister could be in the car and on the way to call the election, and that process would be rendered moot. I...

Member
Alex Norris (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c647
House
House of Commons

Many Members may find it rather difficult to think of a scenario when we would not need to have such a vote, but if other Members have watched “The Crown”, we have seen the example—a very fictitious one—where the scriptwriters wrote the moment when the then Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher...

Member
Jackie Doyle-Price (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c647
House
House of Commons

It is definitely fair to say that there are new arrangements. That is why the Minister said the amendment would be inappropriate, but I do not think it would be. By the way, I have not seen “The Crown”; my wife and I are working our way through “Flip or...

Member
Alex Norris (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 cc647-8
House
House of Commons

Sorry, Madam Deputy Speaker: 21 of the Minister’s colleagues. Of course, they were rare circumstances, but it has happened again in this Parliament that when the Government face opposition from outside, they seek to shut us out, and when they find opposition inside, they seek to lock yourselves out as...

Member
Alex Norris (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c648
House
House of Commons

I apologise, Madam Deputy Speaker.

I say to the Government that it is not a one-way street and we think that having some checks and balances in our democracy is a good thing. In that spirit, I hope that hon. Members will vote in support of the Lords amendment.

Member
Alex Norris (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c648
House
House of Commons

I thank the hon. Member for Nottingham North (Alex Norris) for the introduction where he described me as being

cheeky faced. It will stun the Opposition and surprise the Government that I will be voting enthusiastically with the Government in the Lobby later, so clearly my re-education is having the...

Member
William Wragg (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 cc648-9
House
House of Commons

Why is it good enough for the Scottish Parliament, Welsh Assembly and Northern Ireland Assembly to operate on fixed terms but not this place?

Member
Patrick Grady (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c649
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman invites me to be intemperate about the difference between this House and the other Parliaments of the United Kingdom, which I will resist entirely. Places evolve through their own conventions and those Parliaments are doing exactly that. There is no need for universality; surely he would argue...

Member
William Wragg (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 cc649-650
House
House of Commons

I rise to speak in favour of the Lords amendment, which would require any Government seeking to dissolve this House early and call a general election to first seek and receive the support of a simple majority of the Members of this House.

Last year, when the Bill was first introduced...

Member
Brendan O'Hara (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c650
House
House of Commons

I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way, which is typically gracious of him. He calls it a “minimal check,” but the reality is that it is an absolute veto. If a Government do not have a majority in the House and if the Opposition sense that a Government might...

Member
Julian Lewis (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c650
House
House of Commons

I thank the right hon. Gentleman for that intervention, but that is a decision for this Parliament to take. We are elected to take decisions, and to abdicate that responsibility to the Executive is a dangerous route to go down; we should not do that. He says that it is...

Member
Brendan O'Hara (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c650
House
House of Commons

What we are hearing, especially from Government Members, is continued Westminster exceptionalism: that this place, particularly the Executive,

once elected, knows what is best. That is why I raised the comparison with the devolved institutions, which operate to strict fixed terms. If they are to devolve early, that has to...

Member
Patrick Grady (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c650
House
House of Commons

I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention, and he is right. What we are seeing is, as he describes it so eloquently, Westminster exceptionalism, because this does not go nearly far enough. It is the absolute minimum that one would expect.

As Tom Fleming of University College London and his...

Member
Brendan O'Hara (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c651
House
House of Commons

Can the hon. Member explain why Opposition parties in this House are so keen to prevent there being an early election? I thought Oppositions welcomed early elections.

Member
Lord Redwood (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c651
House
House of Commons

It is very witty to frame this debate in those terms, but I think the right hon. Gentleman is missing the point. This is not about the power to hold a general election; this is about the power being ceded from this place to the Executive and what the Executive...

Member
Brendan O'Hara (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c651
House
House of Commons

Is it not strange that Conservative Members who we have had to listen to banging on and on for years about Parliament being sovereign and Parliament having control are now willing to cede that control to the Executive for cheap political gain?

Member
Alan Brown (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c651
House
House of Commons

I thank my hon. Friend, and I suspect he may have been reading my speech earlier, because I will come to that issue shortly.

This Government are determined that the Prime Minister, without consultation with or approval from this House and free of the threat of legal challenge, can call a...

Member
Brendan O'Hara (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 cc651-2
House
House of Commons

Opposition parties are struggling a bit with this idea of democracy, are they not? Taking back control was to have control by the people and for the people, and offering the people an early general election so that they could choose an effective Government when a Parliament was logjammed, hopeless...

Member
Lord Redwood (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 cc652-3
House
House of Commons

I apologise to the House that, because I have been in Committee Room 10 launching the call for evidence on setting up a national strategy for acquired brain injury, I am afraid I was not able to hear the wonderful speeches that doubtless came from those on the Front Bench—well,...

Member
Chris Bryant (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 cc653-4
House
House of Commons

Is it equally the case that including this vote in the Bill would not mitigate people not being good chaps? If a Prime Minister has a majority and they could get that vote through—who knows what their reasons are—when they see things coming over the horizon that might give them...

Member
Jackie Doyle-Price (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c654
House
House of Commons

I think the danger is precisely the opposite. The arrangements that the hon. Lady would like us to have are ones that put the monarch in a regular position of making a decision, and brings them closely into not only party politics, but sometimes into partisan politics within a political...

Member
Chris Bryant (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 cc654-5
House
House of Commons

I will be brief as I gather I have only a few minutes to speak. The Lords amendment would require the House of Commons to give prior approval to a dissolution of Parliament, and that would be done by simple majority rather than the two-thirds majority required by the Fixed...

Member
Gareth Bacon (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 cc655-6
House
House of Commons

Members across the House want the repeal of the Fixed Term Parliaments Act 2011, but in its defence, it was a creature of its time and it delivered stable government for five years. Let us not reinvent history regarding why it was introduced in the first place. It disappoints me...

Member
Jackie Doyle-Price (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c656
House
House of Commons

It is not really for the Scottish National party to defend the Westminster interpretation of democracy, but the Bill, and rejecting the Lords amendment, is such a retrograde step that we must put that on the record and see it as part of a bigger picture. This is not control...

Member
Patrick Grady (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 cc656-7
House
House of Commons

First, may I say to my hon. Friend the Member for Thurrock (Jackie Doyle-Price) that I, too, am a romantic—that may come as a surprise to the House—especially when it comes to the constitution? I agree that flex is required and that it is highly desirable to have an unwritten...

Member
Michael Ellis (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 c657
House
House of Commons

Programme (No. 2) motion relating to consideration of Lords amendments. Agreed to on question. Consideration of Lords amendments. Clause 2, motion to disagree with Lords amendment 1, debated and agreed to on division (292 to 217). Motion that a Committee be appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned to...

Lead member
Michael Ellis
Department
Treasury
Type
Debates on bills
Date
14 March 2022
Reference
710 cc641-657
House
House of Commons

My Lords, I have it in command from Her Majesty the Queen to acquaint the House that Her Majesty, having been informed of

the purport of the Dissolution and Calling of Parliament Bill, has consented to place her prerogative, so far as it is affected by the Bill, at the...

Member
Lord Ashton of Hyde (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 February 2022
Reference
819 cc347-8
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord True

Member
Lord True (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 February 2022
Reference
819 c348
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank your Lordships’ House for its expertise and careful work on the Bill. It has again demonstrated the constitutional, legal and political expertise that makes this House such a remarkable revising Chamber. The Government have valued those exchanges, as have I. I particularly thank the noble Baroness,...

Member
Lord True (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 February 2022
Reference
819 c348
House
House of Lords

My Lords, on behalf of my noble friend Lady Smith of Basildon, who is unable to be with us this morning as she is having a briefing at the moment, I thank the noble Lord for his usual courtesy in dealing with the House and for taking this Bill through...

Member
Lord Kennedy of Southwark (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 February 2022
Reference
819 c348
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I add my thanks. It is important that we conduct legislation in the House, and off the Floor in between the different

stages, in the way we did on this Bill and I hope will do also on the Elections Bill—a much longer and more complex Bill. Indeed,...

Member
Lord Wallace of Saltaire (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 February 2022
Reference
819 c348
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I join in thanking everybody. I have two points, one serious and one less so. One is an entirely private thought, so nobody is listening to me saying this: I hope the Commons has enough time to look at the issues that arise in relation to this Bill....

Member
Lord Judge (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 February 2022
Reference
819 c349
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I have just a small observation on the suggestion of the noble Lord, Lord True, that we were somehow telling the Commons to alter its procedures or advising it on its procedures in relation to this Bill. What we have done is say to the House of Commons...

Member
Lord Grocott (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 February 2022
Reference
819 c349
House
House of Lords