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My Lords, I shall start with Amendment 182A tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Howard of Rising, which replaces his withdrawn Amendment 180A. It seeks to specify that vaping should be allowed in locations where it is “reasonable to expect” that only people over 18 congregate. I believe this would...

Member
Baroness Walmsley (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 November 2025
Reference
850 cc282-3GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I rise briefly to support my noble friend Lord Kamall on the Front Bench. I have not taken part in these debates before, but I have to say that I find it quite disturbing that we should be making laws because perhaps we do not like walking down...

Member
Lord Robathan (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 November 2025
Reference
850 cc283-4GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am most grateful to noble Lords for their contributions to this debate. Let me first turn to the opposition to Clause 138 standing part of the Bill, which has been proposed by the noble Lord, Lord Udny-Lister. Clause 138 amends the Health Act 2006 to insert new...

Member
Baroness Merron (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 November 2025
Reference
850 cc284-6GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the Minister for her response; I also thank all noble Lords who spoke on this group. I am grateful to the Minister for confirming that any further extension of the designation of vape-free places will be done via the affirmative procedure, which is very welcome.

I have...

Member
Lord Kamall (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 November 2025
Reference
850 cc285-7GC
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Howard of Rising (Con)

184A: Clause 139, page 82, line 24, at end insert—

“(c) whether it would be reasonable to expect that everyone present in that location is aged 18 or over.”

Member's explanatory statement

This amendment would allow the use of heated tobacco products within locations where it is reasonable...

Member
Lord Howard of Rising (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 November 2025
Reference
850 c287GC
House
House of Lords

My amendment seeks to allow ministerial discretion for heated tobacco products. As I have said previously, we know that vapes and heated tobacco products are much safer than smoked tobacco products. We need a regime of regulation that promotes switching where smokers are unable to stop. This small change may...

Member
Lord Howard of Rising (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 November 2025
Reference
850 c288GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will speak very briefly against all the amendments in this group. I respectfully disagree with the noble Lord, Lord Howard of Rising, about our understanding of heated tobacco products. I am drawing here, as I have been throughout Committee, on the excellent briefings from Action on Smoking...

Member
Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle (Green Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 November 2025
Reference
850 c288GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I agree with the noble Baroness. In Amendment 184A, the noble Lord, Lord Howard of Rising, seeks to exclude heated tobacco from the smoke-free generation objective of the Bill, to allow it in places where everyone is over 18. For this reason, and because of my lack of...

Member
Baroness Walmsley (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 November 2025
Reference
850 c288GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, my noble friends Lord Howard of Rising and Lord Udny-Lister, who is unfortunately not in his place, are to be thanked for enabling us to focus on the issues around the use of heated tobacco. We have touched on this subject at earlier stages but, when previously discussing...

Member
Earl Howe (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 November 2025
Reference
850 c289GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the amendments in this group relate to limiting the Government’s ability to create heated tobacco-free places in England. I am grateful for all the contributions to the debate.

The noble Lord, Lord Udny-Lister, opposes Clause 139 standing part of the Bill. Clause 139 provides the power to designate certain...

Member
Baroness Merron (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 November 2025
Reference
850 cc289-290GC
House
House of Lords

I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate and the Minister for her response. I hope she and her officials will take away some of the considered points made by noble Lords in this debate for consideration as we make further progress with the Bill. I hope...

Member
Lord Howard of Rising (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 November 2025
Reference
850 c291GC
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Earl Howe

188: After Clause 157, insert the following new Clause—

“Strategy to reduce retail crime linked to tobacco and vaping products

(1) The Secretary of State must prepare and publish a strategy to reduce offences against retailers of relevant products as a result of changes made by this Act.

(2) The strategy...

Member
Earl Howe (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 November 2025
Reference
850 cc291-2GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Kamall and I have previously raised the concerns of retailers in relation to several aspects of this Bill. Amendment 188 is intended as a probing amendment to ask the Government whether they have any plans to work with retailers and other partners to develop...

Member
Earl Howe (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 November 2025
Reference
850 cc292-3GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, my Amendment 200A touches on a different theme from the other amendments that I have tabled. As my noble friend Lord Howe commented, it is a probing amendment to test the Government’s attitude to small shops and the burdens that they face. I endorse the remarks made by...

Member
Lord Howard of Rising (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 November 2025
Reference
850 c293GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am very much in favour of these three amendments. As we come to the end of Committee, it is important that we consider some of the unintended consequences of this Bill, particularly in relation to retailers. In relation to Amendment 188 from the noble Lord, Lord Kamall,...

Member
Baroness Fox of Buckley (Non-affiliated)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 November 2025
Reference
850 cc293-5GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the noble Earl, Lord Howe, for introducing this group. I will speak in specific terms against Amendment 188 and very strongly against Amendment 200A.

Starting with Amendment 188, I declare my position as a member of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Customer Service. I note the terrible...

Member
Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle (Green Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 November 2025
Reference
850 cc294-6GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I hesitate to interject at this late stage of Committee, but I just respond to the noble Baroness, Lady Fox, who had concerns that many of the organisations giving evidence previously on the retail question were from health-related charities, and I declare my own non-pecuniary interest as chairman...

Member
Lord Stevens of Birmingham (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 November 2025
Reference
850 c296GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I agree with the noble Earl, Lord Howe, about how important it is that retailers of all kinds feel supported as we move into the transition to a smoke-free generation. Those who operate legally and who will obtain a licence to operate under the new rules will want...

Member
Baroness Walmsley (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 November 2025
Reference
850 cc296-7GC
House
House of Lords

If the Committee will allow me, I want to come back on the point about retail organisations. I am more than happy to acknowledge that all sorts of organisations are not quite as independent as they seem. In fact, many health charities over the years feel more like Astroturfed organisations,...

Member
Baroness Fox of Buckley (Non-affiliated)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 November 2025
Reference
850 cc297-8GC
House
House of Lords

Having said that, does the noble Baroness agree that it would be unfortunate to see any organisations fearmongering among small businesses that already have a lot of concerns, and a lot to face when this Bill comes into operation?

Member
Baroness Walmsley (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 November 2025
Reference
850 c298GC
House
House of Lords