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Lords question for short debate on what legislation is necessary to enable a further referendum on the United Kingdom's membership of the European Union to take place in 2019.

Lead member
Lord Tyler
Answering member
Lord Callanan
Department
Department for Exiting the European Union
Type
Questions for short debate
Date
17 January 2019
Reference
795 cc2109-151
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am delighted to be able to open this very topical debate. I am disappointed only that for obvious reasons the noble Lord, Lord Young of Cookham, is not able to respond, since I know from long personal knowledge that he would have been fully acquainted with the...

Member
Lord Tyler (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2019
Reference
795 c2109
House
House of Lords

I am grateful to the noble Lord for the opportunity to correct that. It was an administrative error. It did not correspond to the draft of the Parliamentary Question that I signed off. I have spoken to the Permanent Secretary in my department, who is instituting an inquiry into how...

Member
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2019
Reference
795 c2109
House
House of Lords

I am delighted that the Minister has had that opportunity. I suspect that it was handwriting; if his is anything like mine, “0” and “9” occasionally look much alike.

The subject on the Order Paper does not directly argue the merits or demerits of a further referendum on our relationship with...

Member
Lord Tyler (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2019
Reference
795 cc2109-379
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I must declare that I was never a Boy Scout.

Like the noble Lord, Lord Tyler, I have some questions for my noble friend the Minister, not because I wish to express an opinion on whether there will be a referendum as a result of the Brexit negotiations but,...

Member
Baroness Browning (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2019
Reference
795 cc379-381
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the noble Baroness says that the issues she has raised are technical, but they are important. They go to the heart of the conduct of a future referendum and are very far from technical. I hope that the Government and the House—because it is quite clear that Parliament...

Member
Lord Adonis (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2019
Reference
795 cc380-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I can be extremely brief, as perhaps I should be since noble Lords have heard quite enough from me this afternoon. I pay tribute to the noble Lord, Lord Tyler, for his expertise and leadership on these issues.

It was Emerson who said:

“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of...

Member
Lord Lisvane (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2019
Reference
795 cc383-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I also am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Tyler, for having raised this issue. As he said, it is highly topical. Although the speeches today have been confined to the technical issues of a referendum, the reason why it is so topical is that the demands for...

Member
Lord Sherbourne of Didsbury (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2019
Reference
795 c384
House
House of Lords

It was 2016.

Member
Baroness D'Souza (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2019
Reference
795 c384
House
House of Lords

Thank you. When we had the referendum in 2016, everybody knew the result would be accepted. I have here just one example of what the late Lord Ashdown said on the eve of referendum day:

“I will forgive no one who does not respect the sovereign voice of the British people...

Member
Lord Sherbourne of Didsbury (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2019
Reference
795 cc2112-385
House
House of Lords

I point out to the noble Lord that his two arguments are mutually contradictory. On the one hand he says that we should not respect the results of referenda, for reasons he has just given, and on the other he says that we have to respect that of the 2016...

Member
Lord Tyler (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2019
Reference
795 c385
House
House of Lords

No; I said that we should accept the result of the referendum but that public confidence in the acceptance would be eroded. If we have a second referendum and the public believe that the politicians have said, “We don’t think you made the right decision; therefore, it’s invalid”, they will...

Member
Lord Sherbourne of Didsbury (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2019
Reference
795 c385
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for his Question and his speech, and thank other noble Lords for their contributions and expertise, in particular on procedural and technical aspects of the possibility of a second referendum. This is certainly a pertinent Question for Short Debate following the massive defeat...

Member
Baroness Wheeler (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2019
Reference
795 cc385-6
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Tyler, for so excellently introducing this important subject and giving us an opportunity to debate it today, and I thank all other noble Lords who contributed.

I will first address the remarks made by my noble friend Lady Browning, who made a number...

Member
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2019
Reference
795 cc386-7
House
House of Lords

I am sure the Minister appreciates that it is difficult still to say that it is the will of the people that this particular situation should be resolved on the basis of the discussion and decision in 2016 when the latest public opinion poll, published today, shows that 56% of...

Member
Lord Tyler (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2019
Reference
795 c387
House
House of Lords

I understand the firm view of the Liberal Democrats on this; they have been dogged in pursuing it. I do not know whether the noble Lord was in the House yesterday, when I addressed the subject in a Question from the noble Lord, Lord Dykes, on opinion polling and whether...

Member
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2019
Reference
795 c387
House
House of Lords

My understanding is that, despite what the Minister just said, work is in fact going on in the Cabinet Office in preparation for a second referendum. Would he care to confirm that that is the case?

Member
Lord Adonis (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2019
Reference
795 c387
House
House of Lords

I asked my Permanent Secretary whether any work was going on in DExEU, which is my department, and he confirmed that it is not. He will have to ask Cabinet Office Ministers whether they are doing—

Member
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2019
Reference
795 c387
House
House of Lords

Since the Minister is not informed about what is going on in the Government for whom he is responsible, could he write to me afterwards to let me know?

Member
Lord Adonis (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2019
Reference
795 c387
House
House of Lords

I can tell the noble Lord that it is firm government policy that we will not be holding a further referendum.

The question of how we would hold a second referendum on this matter is therefore entirely hypothetical. However, I have been asked the Question by the noble Lord, Lord Tyler,...

Member
Lord Callanan (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2019
Reference
795 cc148-389
House
House of Lords