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I beg to move,

That this House has considered the e-petition relating to age-related tax allowances.

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship this afternoon, Mr Hollobone. We have been allocated three hours, but my speech will not last that long or anything like it. I am, however, pleased to...

Member
Kelvin Hopkins (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 September 2013
Reference
567 cc210-201WH
House
House of Commons

Surely the hon. Gentleman accepts that one of the Government’s aims is to simplify tax allowances and have one allowance regardless of how old someone is. Is it sensible for an hon. Member over 65 to have higher take-home pay, simply because of age, than someone under 65?

Member
Baroness Coffey (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 September 2013
Reference
567 c201WH
House
House of Commons

I made the point about levelling up rather than levelling down. If we level up the allowances for those under 65, the point will come when they meet what pensioners now get. That would be fairer than damaging pensioners’ incomes now.

The Chancellor in his announcement in last year’s Budget suggested...

Member
Kelvin Hopkins (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 September 2013
Reference
567 c202WH
House
House of Commons

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Hollobone. I did not intend to make a speech, but a year or so ago I co-authored a policy to try to simplify allowances and national insurance. I will not dwell on that today, but I thought it was important...

Member
Baroness Coffey (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 September 2013
Reference
567 c202WH
House
House of Commons

I am following the hon. Lady’s speech with interest, but the fact is that some pensioners—more granddads than grannies, if I may say, and as a granddad myself, I feel this personally—will find that their incomes reduce as a result of the Government’s 2012 Budget,

while those on the highest...

Member
Kelvin Hopkins (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 September 2013
Reference
567 c202WH
House
House of Commons

I hear what the hon. Gentleman is saying, but my understanding is that people will not be affected on a cash basis, although I accept that there is an issue regarding real-terms changes.

There is a significant increase in the number of people who continue to work beyond the age of...

Member
Baroness Coffey (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 September 2013
Reference
567 c203WH
House
House of Commons

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Hollobone. I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Luton North (Kelvin Hopkins) on securing the debate, which is somewhat belated, given that it was meant to take place many months ago. However, I commend him for his persistence in...

Member
Catherine McKinnell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 September 2013
Reference
567 cc203-4WH
House
House of Commons

Is it not the case that what is called tax simplification is sometimes simply a cover for making the tax system less progressive and therefore less advantageous to those who are less well off?

Member
Kelvin Hopkins (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 September 2013
Reference
567 c204WH
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend makes a powerful point. The Office of Tax Simplification expressed surprise at the way in which the measure was introduced, and I shall go on to quote from the office as I set out the reasons why we do not support the Government’s policy.

It might be helpful...

Member
Catherine McKinnell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 September 2013
Reference
567 cc204-5WH
House
House of Commons

For the sake of clarity, will the hon. Lady confirm whether the Opposition’s position is that, as a matter of principle, those under the age of 65 should have a lower personal allowance than those over the age of 65?

Member
David Gauke (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 September 2013
Reference
567 c205WH
House
House of Commons

We are debating today the choices that the Government have made, the way in which this tax allowance change has been implemented, the speed at which it has been implemented, the lack of consultation, the lack of consideration and the lack of will from the Government to consider the impact...

Member
Catherine McKinnell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 September 2013
Reference
567 c205WH
House
House of Commons

I hope to have the opportunity shortly to set out what the current Government have done for pensioners, but given that I did not hear a clear answer as to whether it is a matter of principle, can the hon. Lady confirm that the Labour party has no plans to...

Member
David Gauke (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 September 2013
Reference
567 c205WH
House
House of Commons

Again, it would be helpful if the Minister could confirm for those taking part in the debate and for those following it—the many pensioners who have called for the debate and who want to know—what consideration the Government have given to their position and to the fact that pensioners are...

Member
Catherine McKinnell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 September 2013
Reference
567 c205WH
House
House of Commons

I think the point is that pensioners face extra costs in their lives. They often spend more time at home and need more heating in their homes, for example. Someone as far back as Winston Churchill recognised that, which was why he initiated the idea of a greater tax-free allowance...

Member
Kelvin Hopkins (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 September 2013
Reference
567 c205WH
House
House of Commons

I thank my hon. Friend. The point that he and I make is that the concern about the Government’s change is the lack of notice that many pensioners have had of it. It has not been introduced gradually to give pensioners a chance to readjust their savings plans or earnings...

Member
Catherine McKinnell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 September 2013
Reference
567 cc205-7WH
House
House of Commons

rose—

Member
Baroness Coffey (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 September 2013
Reference
567 c206WH
House
House of Commons

rose—

Member
Kelvin Hopkins (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 September 2013
Reference
567 c206WH
House
House of Commons

I will give way to the hon. Lady and then to my hon. Friend.

Member
Catherine McKinnell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 September 2013
Reference
567 c206WH
House
House of Commons

Of course, the hon. Lady will recognise that the Government believe that they will increase the amount of tax that they take from the richest in society by reducing the rate, as opposed to trying to suggest that it is being taken from some of the poorest in our society.

Member
Baroness Coffey (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 September 2013
Reference
567 c206WH
House
House of Commons

I will give way to my hon. Friend the Member for Luton North and then deal with both points.

Member
Catherine McKinnell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 September 2013
Reference
567 c206WH
House
House of Commons