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To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer, if he will write to the law firm Clifford Chance urging them to publish how much they have been paid by Liverpool Victoria to advise them on their proposed demutualisation and sale to Bain Capital.

Asked by
Gareth Thomas (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Answering body
Treasury
Type
Written questions
Status
Answered
Date
24 November 2021
Reference
77370
House
House of Commons

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship this morning, Sir Roger.

I am pleased to have secured this debate on the Tomlinson report prior to the Christmas recess, because it is important and touches on a lot of my work on interest rate swap mis-selling. The report’s scope is...

Member
Guto Bebb (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2013
Reference
572 cc147-9WH
House
House of Commons

I thank my hon. Friend for allowing me to intervene. There is a similar example from my constituency. Does he agree that it is often the time scale in which the bank demands a response that kills a business completely? A business in my constituency was given 24 hours to...

Member
Glyn Davies (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2013
Reference
572 c148WH
House
House of Commons

That is a fair point about timing. Another of my constituents was told that his bank charges would be increased to a weekly fee of £4,000. The letter informing him of that arrived on 21 December, just before his business closed for Christmas, which I am sure was enjoyable because...

Member
Guto Bebb (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2013
Reference
572 c148WH
House
House of Commons

I applaud the hon. Gentleman’s work in this area, and it is a joy to work with him. I want to mention a similar case involving a constituent who had a long-term arrangement with a bank. His business, which owns housing, has been told by the bank that it wants...

Member
Tessa Munt (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2013
Reference
572 c148WH
House
House of Commons

That is an issue on which the bank would have to respond, because my view is that clearly it is not fair.

I have a fourth and final example of businesses finding themselves in difficulty due to decisions taken by the bank. A company that contacted me recently had net profit...

Member
Guto Bebb (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2013
Reference
572 cc148-150WH
House
House of Commons

Given all that, does the hon. Gentleman agree that removing the cash flow that assists in running the business when it is under pressure simply creates additional problems?

Member
Russell Brown (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2013
Reference
572 c150WH
House
House of Commons

Absolutely. When a business is taken into the GRG in order to help with cash flow, it is difficult to envisage why there is therefore justification in imposing a £4,000 or even £2,000 per week charge for support.

There is no indication of what that support entails, but it certainly...

Member
Guto Bebb (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2013
Reference
572 cc150-2WH
House
House of Commons

Everything my hon. Friend is saying is familiar to me. I have been supporting a decent-sized manufacturing business in my constituency. The bank concerned is not RBS but another major bank; I want the Minister to be aware of that fact, and I might speak with him afterwards. When a...

Member
Jason McCartney (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2013
Reference
572 c152WH
House
House of Commons

I appreciate my hon. Friend’s intervention, as it highlights the fact that this is not only an issue for those businesses highlighted in the Tomlinson report but something that we are seeing in our own constituencies.

James Nicholls concludes the article I mentioned by saying that the insolvency industry—by that he...

Member
Guto Bebb (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2013
Reference
572 cc152-3WH
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way just as he is concluding his remarks, which have been very thoughtful. He is right to say that the GRG might not be the only perpetrator of this kind of behaviour, but it is the focus of the report. Does...

Member
Toby Perkins (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2013
Reference
572 c153WH
House
House of Commons

I would be extremely wary of using the word fraud. In my view, there has undoubtedly been systematic bad behaviour and I could speak at some length about West Register, which is part of RBS, and the way in which assets have been taken from businesses by the GRG and...

Member
Guto Bebb (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2013
Reference
572 c153WH
House
House of Commons

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that we could summarise the matter in this way? Customers have trusted their banks over so many years and that trust has been built up through generations. People still think that they should trust their banks, but there is now a complete imbalance in that...

Member
Tessa Munt (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2013
Reference
572 c153WH
House
House of Commons

Undoubtedly. That imbalance is something I have highlighted time and again in relation to the issue of interest rate swaps. I do not think it is reasonable to

assume that we are talking about two equal parties when one is a banking organisation that has the ability to pull someone’s...

Member
Guto Bebb (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2013
Reference
572 cc153-4WH
House
House of Commons

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Sir Roger. I am delighted that the hon. Member for Aberconwy (Guto Bebb) has secured this important debate on what is an absolute shocker of a report. He has led a campaign to expose the bullying tactics that were often used...

Member
Natascha Engel (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2013
Reference
572 c154WH
House
House of Commons

On interest rate swaps, is my hon. Friend aware that tailored business loans sourced from the Clydesdale bank, for example, have been excluded from regulations and from the review? Businesses taking out those loans are just as badly affected as everyone else, so does she agree that such loans should...

Member
Sandra Osborne (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2013
Reference
572 c154WH
House
House of Commons

Absolutely, and I will conclude later by saying that that means we really have to look at the whole banking sector. The Banking Commission has done a good job of starting to expose some of these malpractices, but they are very worrying. The issue does not affect just RBS, and...

Member
Natascha Engel (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2013
Reference
572 cc154-5WH
House
House of Commons

On that point, the bank sold the business of one of my constituents, which was bought by another of the bank’s customers, who then found themselves in exactly the same situation as their predecessor. The bank therefore profited from not only the distressed sale, but what happened afterwards. Worse still,...

Member
Tessa Munt (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2013
Reference
572 c155WH
House
House of Commons

Indeed. Those responsible are laughing all the way to the bank—ha, ha! The engineering of loan defaults allows a company to be put into the GRG. What we find, and what we see in the Tomlinson report, is that the lending is refinanced—companies are forced to refinance—and the bank gets...

Member
Natascha Engel (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2013
Reference
572 cc155-6WH
House
House of Commons

I congratulate the hon. Member for Aberconwy (Guto Bebb). I must be honest: I had not intended to speak, but given that there are so few contributors, I want to say a little about my experiences and, more importantly, those of some of my constituents. I also congratulate the hon....

Member
Russell Brown (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2013
Reference
572 cc156-8WH
House
House of Commons