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Motion that Ian Austin and Mike Gapes be discharged from the Foreign Affairs Committee and Conor McGinn and Catherine West be added. Agreed to on division (199 to 134).

Lead member
Bill Wiggin
Type
Debates
Date
19 March 2019
Reference
656 cc1015-2
House
House of Commons

I beg to move,

That Ian Austin and Mike Gapes be discharged from the Foreign Affairs Committee and Conor McGinn and Catherine West be added.

I am moving this motion on behalf of the Selection Committee. As Chairman of that Committee, it is my responsibility to ensure that it operates in accordance...

Member
Bill Wiggin (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 March 2019
Reference
656 c980
House
House of Commons

I rise to speak against this motion, to say why I think the House should not agree to it and to explain the background to it and why Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour party is trying to boot me and Mike Gapes off the Foreign Affairs Committee.

Member
Lord Austin of Dudley (Independent (affiliation))
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 March 2019
Reference
656 c980
House
House of Commons

The Labour party, as it is currently led, is making a vindictive attempt to boot me and the hon. Member for Ilford South (Mike Gapes) off the Foreign Affairs Committee.

I want to correct one point that was made earlier: I am not a member of the Independent Group. If the...

Member
Lord Austin of Dudley (Independent (affiliation))
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 March 2019
Reference
656 c980
House
House of Commons

As I said very clearly, that would be true if those hon. Members were taken as a group. It is as a group of others that the representation is seen as.

Member
Bill Wiggin (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 March 2019
Reference
656 c980
House
House of Commons

That is as may be, but I am not a member of the Independent Group; I am the independent MP for Dudley, standing up for the people of Dudley, and representing the whole of the House on the Foreign Affairs Committee, which is what members of Select Committees are elected...

Member
Lord Austin of Dudley (Independent (affiliation))
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 March 2019
Reference
656 cc980-1
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman and I may disagree on many domestic policy issues, but for years we have worked together on many foreign policy issues, some of which he is touching on. He mentioned that the Leader of the Opposition is behind this move. Is that because the hon. Gentleman is...

Member
Mark Pritchard (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 March 2019
Reference
656 c981
House
House of Commons

I will come on to that, but I will say this: I have been very clear about why I left the Labour party. I left after 35 years because I had become absolutely ashamed of the way in which the leader of the Labour party had allowed a culture of...

Member
Lord Austin of Dudley (Independent (affiliation))
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 March 2019
Reference
656 cc981-2
House
House of Commons

Well, may I seek your guidance, Mr Deputy Speaker? I have to say that I do not think that the leader of the Labour party would need much notice to know what my views are of his behaviour and history. If I may say so as well, the reason why...

Member
Lord Austin of Dudley (Independent (affiliation))
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 March 2019
Reference
656 c982
House
House of Commons

I completely understand, Mr Deputy Speaker. I have made some of the points that I wanted to make about the Leader of the Opposition and the position that he has taken the Labour party to under his leadership.

I will draw my remarks to a close. I want to stay on...

Member
Lord Austin of Dudley (Independent (affiliation))
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 March 2019
Reference
656 c983
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman is being very generous, and I am grateful to him for giving way. I will need to decide which way to vote today. Will he also include in that litany of why he should stay on the Committee the potential dismantling of our intelligence agencies, which protect...

Member
Mark Pritchard (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 March 2019
Reference
656 c983
House
House of Commons

What I will say, Mr Deputy Speaker, is that, on the Committee, I promise to stand up for the intelligence and security services and the democratic institutions that underpin our democracy in this country. That is one of the reasons why I am keen to carry on representing Members across...

Member
Lord Austin of Dudley (Independent (affiliation))
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 March 2019
Reference
656 c983
House
House of Commons

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Dudley North (Ian Austin). Probably seared on to all our memories—I would be surprised if hon. and right hon. Members have not seen this—is the moving interview that the hon. Gentleman gave to the television news in which he talked...

Member
Simon Hoare (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 March 2019
Reference
656 cc983-4
House
House of Commons

It seems longer.

Member
Lord Benyon (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 March 2019
Reference
656 c984
House
House of Commons

My right hon. Friend should try looking at it from where I am standing; it seems like 40 years, rather than four.

I hope that the hon. Member for Ilford South will take it in the spirit in which it is intended when I say that I watched the TV news...

Member
Simon Hoare (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 March 2019
Reference
656 c984
House
House of Commons

More widely, the hon. Member for Ilford South (Mike Gapes) has brought to bear his wonderful knowledge and wisdom on foreign affairs at the Inter-Parliamentary Union, the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association and other international bodies such as the Council of Europe. The Committee would be missing out on all that knowledge...

Member
Mark Pritchard (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 March 2019
Reference
656 c984
House
House of Commons

I agree entirely. One is tempted to say that if the hon. Member for Ilford South did not exist, we would have to invent him. I am not quite sure what the formula for the invention would be, but one would have to invent him none the less.

I agree with...

Member
Simon Hoare (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 March 2019
Reference
656 c985
House
House of Commons

Since in what feels like the dying days of this Parliament we live in a political free-for-all, with Ministers not voting on three-line Whips and colleagues not voting in the Division Lobby for the motions that they move, is it really such a big deal if we allow these two...

Member
Charles Walker (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 March 2019
Reference
656 c985
House
House of Commons

I am not entirely sure that I understand the point that my hon. Friend is making. If he is encouraging me to endorse the proposition that there should be an early dissolution of this Parliament, then he will find me in the No Lobby, I am afraid. If he is...

Member
Simon Hoare (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 March 2019
Reference
656 c985
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend’s analysis is entirely right. We live in strange political times, and let us just make them a little stranger.

Member
Charles Walker (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 March 2019
Reference
656 c985
House
House of Commons