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To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what assessment he has made of the impact of the UK's decision to pull out of Project Horizon on the future integration of European defence (a) policies and (b) industries.

Asked by

Mike Hancock (Liberal Democrat)

Answering body

Ministry of Defence

Type

Written questions

Status

Answered

Date

10 February 2000

Reference

344 c244W; 109036

House

House of Commons

Ministry of Defence

To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what were the lessons learned which will be built into the Smart Procurement Initiative from the outcome of the Horizon Programme; and if he will make a statement.

Asked by

Mike Hancock (Liberal Democrat)

Answering body

Ministry of Defence

Type

Written questions

Status

Answered

Date

2 February 2000

Reference

343 c589W; 107042

House

House of Commons

Ministry of Defence;Defence Procurement Agency

To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what were the reasons which underlay his decision not to limit the equipment and systems for the Type 45 to the three former common new generation frigates partner contractors; and if he will make a statement; who will have control of the...

Asked by

Mike Hancock (Liberal Democrat)

Answering body

Ministry of Defence

Type

Written questions

Status

Answered

Tabled on

24 January 2000

For answer on

2 February 2000

Answered on

2 February 2000

Mr. Hancock: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence (1) what were the reasons which underlay his decision not to limit the equipment and systems for the Type 45 to the three former common new generation frigates partner contractors; and if he will make a statement; [107040] (2) who will have control of the equipment selection for the new Type 45 warship; and if he will make a statement; [107041] (3) what were the reasons involving the Horizon Programme which underlay the decision not to use a single prime contractor; and if he will make a statement. [107043] Dr. Moonie: This is a matter for the Chief Executive of the Defence Procurement Agency. I have asked the Chief Executive to write to the hon. Member. Letter from Sir Robert Walmsley to Mr. Mike Hancock, dated 2 February 2000: I am replying to your questions to the Secretary of State for Defence about the Type 45 destroyer and Horizon frigate programmes. These matters fall to me to answer within my area of responsibility as Chief of Defence Procurement and Chief Executive of the Defence Procurement Agency. We did not limit equipment and systems for the Type 45 to the three "CNGF" former partner contractors because there were elements in their design that were superfluous to UK requirements. For example, as I said in evidence to the House of Commons Defence Committee on 16 June 1999, the unit production cost of an electronic warfare system for a national warship is planned to be about one third of that envisaged for the Horizon frigate. Nevertheless, as a consequence of GEC (Marconi)'s membership of the now disbanded Horizon International Joint Venture Company, BAE SYSTEMS is able to make maximum use of the work accomplished during the Horizon design definition phase and, as I said in my letter dated 10 January 2000, have indicated that they will make use of some 70% of the work done for the Horizon programme. It will be for BAE SYSTEMS, as the Prime Contractor for the Type 45 programme, to make many of the decisions on equipment selection for the Type 45. However, the Company will be required to demonstrate value for money through competitive procurement of equipment and systems for the ship and to show that the equipment selected provides the required capability. This will take account of competitions already undertaken for Horizon equipment whilst moving forward with the national programme at an affordable cost. With regard to your question concerning the continuing industrial difficulties with the Horizon Programme which underlay the decision not to use a single prime contractor, the information requested was given in the supplementary memorandum submitted by the MoD to the House of Commons Defence Committee (HCDC), Session 1998/99: "The key difficulty in forming an effective industrial organisation centred on the selection of a Prime Contractor able to direct its subcontractors to the extent required to manage the overall risk. In essence, the very wide range of companies involved could not agree on one of them becoming an effective leader. This prevented the nomination of an empowered prime contractor taking full responsibility for the project, which is fundamental to best procurement principles." (HCDC's eighth report, session 1998/99 (page 54).

Date

2 February 2000

Reference

343 c585-6W; 107040;107041;107043

House

House of Commons

Annual Major Procurement Projects Survey: the Common New Generation Frigate programme. Defence Select Committee fourth special report. Government observations on the Committees eighth report of session 1998/99 (HC 544).

Type

Select Committee reports (Government responses); House of Commons papers; Parliamentary committees

Committee

Defence Committee

Notes

Received 15.02.00

Date

2 February 2000

Reference

HC 222 1999/2000

House

House of Commons

Ministry of Defence;Defence Procurement Agency

To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what the total cost was of UK involvement in the Horizon Project; and what the cost of withdrawing from the project was. - Inc text of letter from Sir Robert Walmsley of the Defence Procurement Agency.

Asked by

Mike Hancock (Liberal Democrat)

Answering body

Ministry of Defence

Type

Written questions

Status

Answered

Tabled on

17 December 1999

For answer on

10 January 2000

Answered on

10 January 2000

Mr. Hancock: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what the total cost was of UK involvement in the Horizon Project; and what the cost of withdrawing from the project was. [103925] Mr. Kilfoyle: This is a matter for the Chief Executive of the Defence Procurement Agency. I have asked the Chief Executive to write to the hon. Member. Letter from Sir Robert Walmsley to Mr. Mike Hancock, dated 10 January 2000: I am replying to your question to the Secretary of State for Defence about the cost of UK involvement in the tri-national Horizon Frigate Programme. This matter falls to me to answer within my area of responsibility as Chief of Defence Procurement and Chief Executive of the Defence Procurement Agency. As was made clear in evidence to the House of Commons Defence Committee on 16 June 1999, the UK did not withdraw from Horizon. The three countries involved agreed not to proceed to the next phase. Phase 1 of the Horizon Programme (project Definition and Initial Design) was subsequently completed at the end of October 1999. It was also mentioned in evidence that about £100M that had been spent on Horizon (including spend on NFR90 and other studies). This figure covered UK expenditure on the Programme up to 31 March 1999 and I expect the final amount to be under £120M. Until the contract for the Demonstration and First of Class Phase of the Programme is placed, I am unable to say precisely how much of the investment in Horizon will translate into the national Type 45 programme but I can confirm that our plans for the Type 45 Destroyer build on the work accomplished in the design definition phase of the Horizon Programme and the Prime Contractor has indicated that he will pull through some 70% of the Horizon output (Horizon costs were shared equally between the three nations).

Date

10 January 2000

Reference

103925; 342 c91W

House

House of Commons

Ministry of Defence;Defence Procurement Agency

To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what assessment he has made of the effect of the collapse of the Common New-Generation Frigate programme on future European collaborative naval projects; what he estimates the typical cost of the Type-45 destroyer will be. - Inc text of letter from Sir...

Asked by

Mike Hancock (Liberal Democrat)

Answering body

Ministry of Defence

Type

Written questions

Status

Answered

Tabled on

25 November 1999

For answer on

15 December 1999

Answered on

15 December 1999

Mr. Hancock: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence (1) what assessment he has made of the effect of the collapse of the Common New-Generation Frigate programme on future European collaborative naval projects; [100758] (2) what he estimates the typical cost of the Type-45 destroyer will be. [100751] Mr. Hoon: This is a matter for the Chief Executive of the Defence Procurement Agency. I have asked the Chief Executive to write to the Hon. Member. Letter from Sir Robert Walmsley to Mr. Mike Hancock, dated 15 December 1999: I am replying to your questions to the Secretary of State for Defence about the Type 45 Project. This matter falls to me to answer within my area of responsibility as Chief of Defence Procurement and Chief Executive of the Defence Procurement Agency. The total programme cost for the 12 currently planned Type 45 warships including their missiles is approximately £6Bn. This includes approximately £1.2Bn for the development, design and build of the first of class ship and £1Bn for the development and initial production of the Principal Anti Air Missile System (PAAMS). The balance of £3.8Bn contains funding for further missile procurement, allows for the incremental acquisition of the combat system. The ship design will incorporate significant growth margins to allow for this incremental capability development. A typical cost per ship is thus difficult to asses but the average is expected to be within a target cost of about £270M, excluding missiles. You also asked what assessment had been made of the effect of the collapse of the Common New Generation (CNGF) Programme. The tri-national project office, before it closed on 29 October 1999, provided an assessment of the lessons learned to each of the three partner nations. These reported lessons are being carefully considered and we will be compiling our own UK national lessons learned paper in order to ensure that they are applied appropriately to other collaborative projects. At this stage, I would assess the key lessons to be: a. The operational requirement should be agreed in detail, and be confirmed as affordable against agreed budgets. This information (on requirement and cost) should be communicated to Industry at an early stage to avoid over-ambitious performance specifications being set at the outset that have subsequently to be adjusted (with consequent delay) as financial realities are brought to bear; b. early in the programme, a credible industrial organisation must be established which meets the requirements of industry and of all particular governments. For the UK, this means the appointment of an effective prime contractor not a joint venture company; c. work share arrangements should not be allowed to distort industrial management of the programme. The involvement of trans-national companies and OCCAR are likely to be helpful in ensuring work share issues are resolved efficiently and economically. Applying these principles proved intractable in the context of HORIZON but was possible with the PAAMS Anti-Air Warfare missile component of the CNGF programme and you will be aware that a Development and Production contract for PAAMS was successfully placed last August on behalf of the three nations. This illustrates that the HORIZON outcome need not inhibit successful collaboration in Europe in future.

Date

15 December 1999

Reference

341 c212W; 100758;100751

House

House of Commons

Major procurement projects survey: the common new generation frigate programme. Defence Select Committee eighth report with proceedings, evidence (HC 544-i not printed separately) and appendices.

Type

Select Committee reports; House of Commons papers; Parliamentary committees

Committee

Defence Committee

Notes

Received 10.11.99

Date

3 November 1999

Reference

HC 544 1998/99

House

House of Commons

Symons of Vernham Dean, Baroness

How they plan to fill the gap created by their withdrawal from the second project to replace the Type 42 destroyer. [HL 3934].

Asked by

Earl of Carlisle (Liberal Democrat)

Type

Written questions

Status

Answered

Date

11 October 1999

Reference

605 c79WA; HL 3934

House

House of Lords

Annual major projects survey: the common new generation frigate. Minutes of evidence 16 June 1999. (Printed in HC 544).

Type

House of Commons papers; Select Committee oral evidence; Parliamentary committees

Committee

Defence Committee

Date

16 June 1999

Reference

HC 544-i 1998/99

House

House of Commons

Gilbert, RthonLord

When they expect the tri-national common new generation frigate to enter service; and how much later this date will be than that originally envisaged [HL 2701].

Asked by

Lord Hardy of Wath (Labour)

Type

Written questions

Status

Answered

Date

9 June 1999

Reference

HL 2701; 601 c168WA

House

House of Lords

Debate on a motion for the adjournment on defence equipment

Debate on a motion for the adjournment on defence equipment.

Lead member

Lord Spellar

Answering member

Robert Key

Department

Ministry of Defence

Type

Adjournment debates

Date

26 April 1999

Reference

330 c47-117

House

House of Commons

Ministry of Defence

To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, if he will make a statement on developments in Project Horizon.

Asked by

John Bercow (Conservative)

Answering body

Ministry of Defence

Type

Written questions

Status

Answered

Date

19 April 1999

Reference

329 c399W; 81044

House

House of Commons

Ministry of Defence

To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what assessments he has made of building a new national warship following a decision to withdraw from Project Horizon; what assessment he has made of the cost of withdrawing from Project Horizon.

Asked by

Robert Key (Conservative)

Answering body

Ministry of Defence

Type

Written questions

Status

Answered

Date

3 February 1999

Reference

324 c652W; 68515;68514

House

House of Commons

Ministry of Defence

To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what alternative systems to Project Horizon are available to the Royal Navy; what representations he has received from European partners concerning Project Horizon; what departmental funds have been spent to date on Project Horizon; what plans he has for his Department's future...

Asked by

Keith Simpson (Conservative)

Answering body

Ministry of Defence

Type

Written questions

Status

Answered

Date

25 January 1999

Reference

324 c8-9W; 66749;66755;66750;66754

House

House of Commons

Ministry of Defence

To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what is the expected average time between major refits for Project Horizon ships.

Asked by

Mike Hancock (Liberal Democrat)

Answering body

Ministry of Defence

Type

Written questions

Status

Answered

Date

21 January 1999

Reference

66665; 323 c528W

House

House of Commons

Ministry of Defence

To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what is the forecast service life for (a) Project Horizon and (b) Type 22 ships. - Inc figs.

Asked by

Mike Hancock (Liberal Democrat)

Answering body

Ministry of Defence

Type

Written questions

Status

Answered

Date

20 January 1999

Reference

323 c459W; 65729

House

House of Commons

Ministry of Defence

To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, if he will comment on the progress of Project Horizon; and how many Horizon New Generation frigates he intends to purchase. - Inc fig.

Asked by

Robert Key (Conservative)

Answering body

Ministry of Defence

Type

Written questions

Status

Answered

Date

21 July 1998

Reference

316 c472-3W; 51064;51254

House

House of Commons

Gilbert, RtHonLord

What progress has been made with regard to the proposed tri-national destroyer programme; when the memorandum of understanding was signed by the United Kingdom, France and Italy; and whether subsequent study suggests that this project is likely to be either economically sensible or operationally worth while. [HL 2420].

Asked by

Lord Hardy of Wath (Labour)

Type

Written questions

Status

Answered

Date

8 July 1998

Reference

591 c131WA; HL 2420

House

House of Lords

Ministry of Defence

To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, when he estimates the first contract to build a Project Horizon frigate will be placed; and various questions on the number of frigates purchased and delivery in-service dates. - Includes available figures and information.

Asked by

Lord Campbell of Pittenweem (Liberal Democrat)

Answering body

Ministry of Defence

Type

Written questions

Status

Answered

Date

17 June 1998

Reference

314 c229W; 45846;45845;45843;45844

House

House of Commons

Ministry of Defence

If he will comment on the future of the Horizon anti-air warfare cruiser.

Asked by

Bruce George (Labour)

Answering body

Ministry of Defence

Type

Written questions

Status

Answered

Date

13 March 1997

Reference

20133; 292 c337W

House

House of Commons

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