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Lords committee stage. Clauses 1 to 9 agreed to. Bill reported without amendment.

Lead member
Lord Caine
Department
Northern Ireland Office
Type
Debates on bills; Committee proceedings
Date
13 December 2021
Reference
817 cc1-50GC
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Baroness Smith of Basildon

1: Clause 2, page 2, line 35, leave out subsection (3)

Member’s explanatory statement

This is a probing amendment, to probe what powers will be available to a Minister who remains in office for the provided period of up to 24 weeks, or 48 weeks, following an Assembly...

Member
Baroness Smith of Basildon (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2021
Reference
817 c1GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I welcome the Minister to what is probably his first Committee on a Bill in his new position. I am sure he will enjoy the experience in the Moses Room.

This is a probing amendment in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Coaker about an issue...

Member
Baroness Smith of Basildon (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2021
Reference
817 cc1-2GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, following on from the noble Baroness, Lady Smith, on this issue, it is an important area that deserves greater clarification.

We all remember the period when Northern Ireland was deliberately left ungoverned and civil servants had the most difficult task of all: having to keep their departments ticking over...

Member
Lord Dodds of Duncairn (Democratic Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2021
Reference
817 cc2-3GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, as the noble Baroness, Lady Smith of Basildon, has said, this is a probing amendment. I think we would all agree that the recent experience of over 1,000 days of political uncertainty when there was no Executive in Northern Ireland is not something that anyone would want repeated....

Member
Baroness Suttie (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2021
Reference
817 c3GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the Minister, in his response at Second Reading, provided some clarity on this, indicating that there would be constraints and that cross-cutting issues would still have to go to the Executive for approval. But what happens if there is no First and Deputy First Minister in that period...

Member
Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2021
Reference
817 cc3-4GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am grateful for the warm welcome from the noble Baroness, Lady Smith of Basildon. As my noble friend Lord Empey said to me after Second Reading, it all goes downhill from here. I thank the noble Baroness for her amendment and hope that my response will provide...

Member
Lord Caine (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2021
Reference
817 cc4-5GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his explanation. I hope that it works in practice. My greatest fear is that if we do not have adequate clarity now, there could be some confusion or conflict later on, which is exactly what the Bill seeks to avoid, but...

Member
Baroness Smith of Basildon (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2021
Reference
817 c6GC
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick

2: After Clause 2, insert the following new Clause—

“Appointment of First Ministers

(1) The Northern Ireland Act 1998 is amended as follows.

(2) In section 16A (appointment of Ministers following Assembly election), leave out subsections (4) to (7) and subsection (9), and insert after subsection (3)—

“(3ZA) Each candidate...

Member
Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2021
Reference
817 c6GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendments 2 and 3 in my name and to support Amendment 4 in the names of the noble Lords, Lord Empey and Lord Rogan.

Amendment 2 refers to restoring the Good Friday agreement provision for joint election by the Assembly of the joint First...

Member
Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2021
Reference
817 cc6-7GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, Amendment 4 in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Rogan is self-explanatory. As the noble Baroness, Lady Ritchie,

has said, it brings the proposals back to the arrangements that were entered into in 1998.

I believe of course that no agreement can be set in stone,...

Member
Lord Empey (Ulster Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2021
Reference
817 cc7-8GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I have made the point that this amendment to the agreement came into effect following St Andrews, as the noble Baroness, Lady Ritchie, said, but it never had the support of those parties that negotiated the Belfast agreement in the first place. The purpose of the original model...

Member
Lord Empey (Ulster Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2021
Reference
817 c8GC
House
House of Lords

I shall speak briefly in favour of Amendment 3, to which I have added my name. As the noble Baroness, Lady Ritchie, spelled out, it would provide for the First Minister and the Deputy First Minister to be referred to as Joint First Ministers, reflecting their identical status, powers and...

Member
Baroness Suttie (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2021
Reference
817 cc8-9GC
House
House of Lords

I rise to support the amendment standing in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Empey. In common with my noble friend, I was there on Good Friday 1998 when the Belfast agreement was finalised. My role at that time was chair of the Ulster Unionist Party. My...

Member
Lord Rogan (Ulster Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2021
Reference
817 cc9-10GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I shall speak to the three amendments in this group. I shall start with the third of them, Amendment 4, which has been spoken to by the noble Lords, Lord Empey and Lord Rogan. They and the noble Baroness, Lady Ritchie, have talked about going back to, or...

Member
Lord Alderdice (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2021
Reference
817 cc10-2GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I support, in general terms, the amendments that have been proposed by my noble friends and by the noble Baroness, Lady Ritchie. They carry me back to past events. I was the first First Minister when Seamus and I were elected. We both regarded it as very important...

Member
Lord Trimble (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2021
Reference
817 c12GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I rise only briefly on this issue to concur with some of the comments that have been made. As the noble Baroness, Lady Suttie, said, there is always some hesitation on the part of those who were not there to revisit some of these issues. The noble Lord,...

Member
Baroness Smith of Basildon (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2021
Reference
817 cc12-3GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am listening intently to this debate and I am beginning to wonder if I live in Northern Ireland at all or if I lived there during the making of the Belfast agreement. We have heard all the woes being poured on to the St Andrews agreement. That...

Member
Lord Morrow (Democratic Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2021
Reference
817 cc13-4GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, like the noble Baroness, Lady Smith of Basildon, I am conscious that I speak to this group of amendments surrounded by a number of people who were directly responsible for the negotiation of the 1998 agreement. Like her, I pay tribute to them for an agreement which, as...

Member
Lord Caine (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2021
Reference
817 cc14-5GC
House
House of Lords

I thank all noble Lords and noble Baronesses who have contributed to this wide-ranging debate on these three amendments, which stand variously in my name and those of the noble Lords, Lord Empey, Lord Rogan, Lord Alderdice, Lord Trimble and Lord Morrow, and the noble Baronesses, Lady Suttie and Lady...

Member
Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
13 December 2021
Reference
817 c16GC
House
House of Lords