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Urgent question on on the draft Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Act 2023 (Remedial) Order 2025.

Lead member
Alex Burghart
Answering member
Hilary Benn
Department
Northern Ireland Office
Type
Urgent questions
Date
17 December 2025
Reference
777 cc913-925
House
House of Commons

(Urgent Question): To ask the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland to make a statement on the draft Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Act 2023 (Remedial) Order 2025.

Member
Alex Burghart (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2025
Reference
777 c913
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his question. This remedial order is a clear signal of the Government’s commitment to legislation that can command support across Northern Ireland. Its purpose is clear: to formally remove some of the provisions in the Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Act...

Member
Hilary Benn (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2025
Reference
777 cc913-4
House
House of Commons

Thank you very much, Mr Speaker, for granting this urgent question, which I have asked because I think there is a very real danger that the Government may be about to break the law. It is very important that the House is aware that the Joint Committee on Human Rights...

Member
Alex Burghart (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2025
Reference
777 cc914-904
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for the point he has raised, but the argument he puts is not correct. The appeal was abandoned by the Government in July 2024—he says for reasons that have never been disclosed, but the Government have been absolutely clear from the beginning that...

Member
Hilary Benn (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2025
Reference
777 cc904-915
House
House of Commons

Last month, the House debated the Northern Ireland Troubles Bill, and we heard many moving contributions about the devastating loss experienced by families, including military families, many of whom are still seeking answers. Does the Secretary of State agree that the voices of those the Government’s legislation is for should...

Member
Paul Foster (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2025
Reference
777 c915
House
House of Commons

I do agree with my hon. Friend. It seems that the hon. Member for Brentwood and Ongar (Alex Burghart) and the Conservative party remain wedded to immunity. [Interruption.] The hon. Member for South Suffolk (James Cartlidge) says, as he does in all these debates, “Conditional immunity.” I think the last...

Member
Hilary Benn (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2025
Reference
777 c915
House
House of Commons
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2025
Reference
777 c915
House
House of Commons

The introduction of a remedial order is welcome and necessary, even if its timing is potentially vexed. The order promises to finally end the policy of conditional immunity that was integral to the 2023 legacy Act—a policy that may have had benign intentions, but that put us at odds with...

Member
Al Pinkerton (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2025
Reference
777 cc915-6
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for what he says and for his support for what we are seeking to do in the remedial order. I acknowledge the responsibility that the Government have. These are quite unusual circumstances. The reason why we are debating this matter is because the...

Member
Hilary Benn (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2025
Reference
777 c916
House
House of Commons

The Joint Committee on Human Rights, of which I am a member, published our second report on the Northern Ireland remedial order on 9 December. The Standing Orders of both Houses require the JCHR to scrutinise all remedial orders. The Committee concluded that the vires of the order were satisfied...

Member
Alex Sobel (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2025
Reference
777 c916
House
House of Commons

I do agree. Although the circumstances are unusual, the Government believe we have a compelling case, and the JCHR has agreed with the Government’s assessment.

Member
Hilary Benn (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2025
Reference
777 c905
House
House of Commons

A lot of very complex legal arguments have been alluded to today, but I think what concerns the public—and what concerns me—is the state of mind of our veterans, some of them quite elderly, who sought only to serve their country decades ago. The Secretary of State is a very...

Member
Edward Leigh (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2025
Reference
777 c917
House
House of Commons

I agree with the right hon. Gentleman that we have only to look at the figures to see that the prospect of any prosecution in any case is increasingly remote, because of the passage of time and the difficulty of obtaining evidence. The Government, having listened very carefully to the...

Member
Hilary Benn (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2025
Reference
777 c917
House
House of Commons

It is always important for Northern Ireland to be discussed on the Floor of the House—we are, after all, one United Kingdom—so I thank the shadow Secretary of State for securing the urgent question. We must never forget the people of Northern Ireland. Can my right hon. Friend say what...

Member
Adam Jogee (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2025
Reference
777 c917
House
House of Commons

I have had many such meetings. I have met the Victims and Survivors Forum, for example, twice in the recent past to explain the legislation that the Government have published. There is a great lack of trust on the part of victims and survivors in Northern Ireland, who feel they...

Member
Hilary Benn (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2025
Reference
777 c906
House
House of Commons

On 12 November, I raised with the Prime Minister the alarming statement from nine former generals who attacked the Government’s approach on lawfare against our armed forces, which they said would erode trust in the justice system and is a threat to national security. Can the Secretary of State confirm...

Member
Stuart Anderson (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2025
Reference
777 c906
House
House of Commons

I do not accept the characterisation that the hon. Member puts before the House. The Government are not engaging in lawfare against veterans.

Member
Hilary Benn (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2025
Reference
777 c906
House
House of Commons

That’s what the generals said.

Member
Mark Francois (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2025
Reference
777 c918
House
House of Commons

Well, I have read that letter and many others, and I refute the suggestion that the Government are engaging in lawfare. We have met a very large number of veterans organisations—I myself have met the SAS Regimental Association and others, and Ministers in the Ministry of Defence have met others—and...

Member
Hilary Benn (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2025
Reference
777 c918
House
House of Commons