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Lords statement on building safety.

Lead member
Lord Greenhalgh
Department
Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities
Type
Ministerial statements
Date
11 January 2022
Reference
817 cc1024-1040
House
House of Lords

My Lords, before I begin, I would like to pay tribute to my colleague Jack Dromey. Jack was a fearless campaigner for equality and justice, and always stood up for those without a voice. We will miss him.

Moving to the Statement, the Grenfell Tower fire was, as we all know,...

Member
Baroness Hayman of Ullock (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 January 2022
Reference
817 cc1025-9
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I start by paying tribute to the cladding campaigners, whose extraordinary persistence in conducting a fact-based, solutions-offered campaign is largely responsible for the content of the Statement today. Their efforts on behalf of blameless leaseholders and tenants are a worthy memorial to the tragic victims of the Grenfell...

Member
Baroness Pinnock (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 January 2022
Reference
817 cc1028-1030
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I join the noble Baroness, Lady Hayman, in paying tribute to Jack Dromey. I never met him, but it is fair to say that he touched my political career. All political careers end in failure—I do not know said that; it might have been Enoch Powell—but at the...

Member
Lord Greenhalgh (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 January 2022
Reference
817 cc1030-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I commend the Minister for his tireless work over the past few months, which has led to this very welcome initiative. Will he clarify two points that arose from the exchange in another place yesterday? First, when asked about costs relating to fire doors and external wall insulation,...

Member
Lord Young of Cookham (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 January 2022
Reference
817 cc1032-5
House
House of Lords

My noble friend always asks very pertinent questions and he knows this issue inside out. Rather than obfuscating this, I will give the straight answer. Of course, in protecting the leaseholders, someone else has to pay—that is the thrust of the question from my noble friend. When it comes to...

Member
Lord Greenhalgh (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 January 2022
Reference
817 c1035
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I declare my interest as chair of Peabody housing association. I welcome the Statement; it is a really important step forward in terms of dealing with this long-running and difficult issue. I particularly welcome the proportionate approach to building safety, the polluter pays principle and the move to...

Member
Lord Kerslake (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 January 2022
Reference
817 c1035
House
House of Lords

My eyesight is not the best, but I now know that those were the lovely dulcet tones of the noble Lord, Lord Kerslake. I remember that, when I was leader of Hammersmith and Fulham Council, the noble Lord visited me to discuss housing policy. He has had a long-standing interest...

Member
Lord Greenhalgh (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 January 2022
Reference
817 cc1035-6
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I have an interest as chair of the Built Environment Committee. I very much welcome the package of measures, although I regret the time that it has taken to get to this stage. My experience on the ground is that we need flexibility at the edges to apply...

Member
Baroness Neville-Rolfe (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 January 2022
Reference
817 c1036
House
House of Lords

I first praise the efforts of my noble friend in raising issues throughout my time as Building Safety Minister, and particularly for her passion about how we improve the built environment. The honest answer is that the introduction of the British Standards Institution’s Publicly Available Specification 9980 will go some...

Member
Lord Greenhalgh (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 January 2022
Reference
817 c1036
House
House of Lords

I thank the Minister for his Statement; it is very welcome. Following on from that last point, there is a clear problem created by the insurance industry, which has made matters significantly worse. Will he have meetings with the insurance industry to guide them through the new British standard that...

Member
Lord Stunell (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 January 2022
Reference
817 c1036
House
House of Lords

I thank the noble Lord, who was a distinguished Minister in the very same department in which I find myself. He has been at the

Dispatch Box in the other place and has great experience. He is absolutely right that we need to see movement from the insurance industry. I...

Member
Lord Greenhalgh (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 January 2022
Reference
817 c1036
House
House of Lords

My Lords, like many others, I welcome this Statement, because clearly, it is a move in the right direction. I too pay tribute to those who have campaigned with tenacity to try to resolve what is an awful situation for people’s lives. I may just be slow, but I would...

Member
Bishop of London (Bishops (affiliation))
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 January 2022
Reference
817 c1037
House
House of Lords

The right reverend Prelate is not being slow; if you are the Bishop of London, you have to be pretty quick. As a backstop, we have committed to look at solutions that involve tax, which is a Treasury matter—it has been very clear about that—or legal means to do these...

Member
Lord Greenhalgh (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 January 2022
Reference
817 c1037
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I declare a potential interest as someone who has some wooden decking on a balcony. I congratulate my noble friend on the wonderful Statement he has made, his own personal views today, and the work he has done over the last 12 months. More particularly, will he convey...

Member
Lord Blencathra (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 January 2022
Reference
817 cc1037-8
House
House of Lords

My noble friend is a very wise man. With regard to my right honourable friend the Secretary of State—having worked with the Prime Minister for four years when he was mayor, I know that he likes the odd Latin phrase—quod erat demonstrandum: he has done an amazing job coming in...

Member
Lord Greenhalgh (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 January 2022
Reference
817 c1038
House
House of Lords

I thank the Minister for his comments. Yesterday’s Statement by the Secretary of State was a welcome and much overdue step forward. Can the Minister tell the House a little more about a point raised by the noble Baroness, Lady Pinnock, about the way in which the Government intend to...

Member
Viscount Stansgate (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 January 2022
Reference
817 c1038
House
House of Lords

Not today. But we are well aware of the practice, which goes beyond just whether they are domiciled, of using special purpose vehicles. We are looking at how we deal that issue, where the developer is known, creates an entity over there, away from the rest of the business, does...

Member
Lord Greenhalgh (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 January 2022
Reference
817 c1038
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I add my congratulations to the Minister on his untiring work here. The Statement made in another place yesterday is certainly extremely welcome. As a practising chartered surveyor and valuer, I am particularly determined to ensure that the regime where the purveyors of shoddy buildings have not been...

Member
Earl of Lytton (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 January 2022
Reference
817 cc1038-9
House
House of Lords

Does the Minister agree that the only remaining viable route that is coherent across the piece is, in effect, the polluter pays amendment, the draft of which had the scrutiny of top legal minds, such as Daniel Greenberg QC? Furthermore, does he agree that this is the only means whereby...

Member
Earl of Lytton (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
11 January 2022
Reference
817 c1039
House
House of Lords