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Second reading. Motion made that at this day's sitting, the Second Reading of the Sentencing Bill may be proceeded with, though opposed, until 9.00pm. Agreed to on question. Debate resumed with amendment motion again proposed. Amendment negatived on division (78 to 292). Main question agreed to on division (340 to...

Lead member
David Lammy
Answering member
Robert Jenrick; Jake Richards; Kieran Mullan
Department
Ministry of Justice
Type
Debates on bills
Date
16 September 2025
Reference
772 cc1399-1464
House
House of Commons

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.

It is my pleasure to open this debate—my first since being appointed Deputy Prime Minister, Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice. It is an honour to be back on this beat and to take up this...

Member
David Lammy (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
16 September 2025
Reference
772 c1399
House
House of Commons

I broadly welcome the Bill’s provisions, which will take on the mess that the Conservatives left behind. Does the right hon. Member agree that it is important to get the right balance between the purpose of prison, particularly for violent crime, which is to rehabilitate criminals, but also to provide...

Member
Freddie van Mierlo (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
16 September 2025
Reference
772 c1399
House
House of Commons

That is a very good summary. We must have punishment that works, and I will talk about that later in my speech.

When we look at the record of the previous Government, and I have looked at the figures very closely, we see that the recidivism rates were running at 60%,...

Member
David Lammy (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
16 September 2025
Reference
772 cc1399-1400
House
House of Commons

There is much to welcome in the Sentencing Bill, including the inclusion of restriction zone measures, which are testament to the tireless work of my constituent Rhianon Bragg and her fellow campaigners. Details need to be clarified, however. Which offenders will be automatically included? Will the measures be applied retrospectively...

Member
Liz Saville Roberts (Plaid Cymru)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
16 September 2025
Reference
772 c1400
House
House of Commons

I pay tribute to the right hon. Member’s constituents for fighting to ensure that we got the balance right. At the heart of this—again, I will come on to this, and I know it will be explored in depth in Committee—the system of exclusion zones we have effectively excludes people...

Member
David Lammy (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
16 September 2025
Reference
772 c1400
House
House of Commons

Earlier at Justice questions, the right hon. Gentleman’s Department attempted to take credit for HMP Millsike—and for its 1,468 places, which were confirmed to me in a written parliamentary answer—even though it was approved under the Conservative Government. Does he acknowledge that that prison was in fact started under the...

Member
Ben Obese-Jecty (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
16 September 2025
Reference
772 c1400
House
House of Commons

The truth is that we are building places faster than the Victorians did. [Interruption.] We will have built 14,000 by 2031—

Member
David Lammy (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
16 September 2025
Reference
772 c1400
House
House of Commons

Answer the question!

Member
Ben Obese-Jecty (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
16 September 2025
Reference
772 c1401
House
House of Commons

If the hon. Gentleman stops baying like a child and lets me come to the point, he asks me about the Conservatives’ record and their record was this: violence up in prisons, self-harm up in prisons, suicide skyrocketing in prisons, assaults rising by 113% and assaults on staff rising by...

Member
David Lammy (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
16 September 2025
Reference
772 c1401
House
House of Commons

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way on that point?

Member
Ben Obese-Jecty (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
16 September 2025
Reference
772 c1401
House
House of Commons

I will always give way to a brass neck.

Member
David Lammy (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
16 September 2025
Reference
772 c1401
House
House of Commons

The right hon. Gentleman will not remember but I used to live adjacent to his constituency, and I remember what he was like as a local MP. He did not answer my question about the 1,468 places at HMP Millsike. He accuses me of “baying like a child”, and I...

Member
Ben Obese-Jecty (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
16 September 2025
Reference
772 c1401
House
House of Commons

I have to say, the hon. Gentleman has not challenged the 500 figure. He should read the Ministry of Justice releases. Five hundred! We will have 14,000 by 2031—

Member
David Lammy (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
16 September 2025
Reference
772 c1401
House
House of Commons

You won’t.

Member
Ben Obese-Jecty (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
16 September 2025
Reference
772 c1401
House
House of Commons

We are not in 2031. The hon. Gentleman will be allowed to stand up in 2031 and tell us if we have not achieved that, but it is our ambition and it is what we will achieve.

Member
David Lammy (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
16 September 2025
Reference
772 c1401
House
House of Commons

rose—

Member
Ben Obese-Jecty (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
16 September 2025
Reference
772 c1401
House
House of Commons

I have had fun with the hon. Gentleman, but I must make some progress.

The Government are funding the largest expansion since the Victorians. In our first year, we opened nearly 2,500 new places, and, as I said to the hon. Gentleman, we are on track to add 14,000 by 2031....

Member
David Lammy (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
16 September 2025
Reference
772 c1401
House
House of Commons

Road accidents caused by negligence and people on drugs and alcohol cause havoc for those who lose members of their family. Will the Deputy Prime Minister join me in thanking those families and activist groups, including RoadPeace, Mat MacDonald, our local media in Birmingham and the journalist Jane Haynes, for...

Member
Ayoub Khan (Independent (affiliation))
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
16 September 2025
Reference
772 c1402
House
House of Commons

Dangerous and reckless driving that takes innocent lives is a serious and painful issue that causes lots of anguish across our country, so I applaud the work of the hon. Member’s constituents and thank him for raising that issue; no doubt it can be explored further in Committee.

Member
David Lammy (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
16 September 2025
Reference
772 c1402
House
House of Commons