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To ask His Majesty's Government, further to the remarks by Lord Sharpe of Epsom on 17 January (HL Deb col 463), when and in what circumstances Mr Mike Veale, former chief constable for Wiltshire, agreed that the manner in which he publicised allegations against Sir Edward Heath was “inappropriate”.

Asked by
Lord Lexden (Conservative)
Answering body
Home Office
Type
Written questions
Status
Answered
Date
5 February 2024
Reference
HL1796
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will start by saying what a privilege it is to take part in this short debate. I will also say, as a proud Labour politician and Front-Bencher, that this debate goes to the heart of our politics. No matter which party anybody belongs too, they deserve respect...

Member
Lord Coaker (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2024
Reference
835 cc461-2
House
House of Lords

My wife was secretary to Ted Heath at this time and I was vice-chairman of the party, responsible for youth. If anything of this kind had happened in any way, it is quite inconceivable that we would not have known about it. She knew every step of his life during...

Member
Lord Deben (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2024
Reference
835 c454
House
House of Lords

Will my noble friend also say to the Home Secretary that we will go on demanding this inquiry until we get it and that it would be much easier to give way now?

Member
Lord Deben (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2024
Reference
835 c466
House
House of Lords

My Lords, this short debate is on a subject that I have raised many times in your Lordships’ House through Oral Questions and earlier debates. A grave injustice was inflicted posthumously on Sir Edward Heath, a man appointed by Her late Majesty to the highest order of chivalry as a...

Member
Lord Lexden (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2024
Reference
835 cc446-9
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Lexden, for enabling some of us who worked with Mr Heath to say a word or two on this subject. I declare my interests in both senses of the word. From 1971 to 1973, I worked in the central policy...

Member
Lord Waldegrave of North Hill (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2024
Reference
835 cc451-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I too congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Lexden, on securing this important debate and on his perseverance in this important matter.

It is worth recalling the context for Operation Conifer. It arose in the depths, and I use that term advisedly, of the Metropolitan Police’s—frankly, weird—fixation with the criminal...

Member
Lord Macdonald of River Glaven (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2024
Reference
835 cc452-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I declare my interests as set out in the register, in particular as a past chair of the Sir Edward Heath Charitable Foundation. I join the noble Lord, Lord Macdonald of River Glaven, in congratulating my noble friend Lord Lexden, not just on securing this debate but, as...

Member
Lord Hunt of Wirral (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2024
Reference
835 cc453-4
House
House of Lords

I am very grateful to my noble friend.

Several obvious witnesses were not contacted at all, including our former colleague and friend in this House, Lord MacGregor, who ran Ted Heath’s private office in the 1960s, and my noble friend Lord Sherbourne, who held the same position a decade later. Diaries...

Member
Lord Hunt of Wirral (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2024
Reference
835 cc454-5
House
House of Lords

It a privilege to take part in this debate and I begin by adding my thanks to those of others to my noble friend Lord Lexden. He has been persistent and tenacious, and time and again he has raised this matter on the Floor of your Lordships’ House. Time and...

Member
Lord Cormack (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2024
Reference
835 cc456-7
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I too congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Lexden, on his tenacity. I would like to widen the context a little and reflect on what is really at stake here.

Edward Heath was a politician from another era. A scholarship boy, he was the son of a maid and a...

Member
Lord Birt (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2024
Reference
835 cc457-9
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I welcome the opportunity to speak in the gap and to support my noble friend Lord Lexden in his campaign; perhaps I should call it a crusade, because it has been very noble and persistent.

Why am I speaking? I must declare my interest. I did not particularly care...

Member
Lord Dobbs (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2024
Reference
835 c459
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am grateful to be allowed to speak briefly in the gap.

Ted Heath was a family friend for a reason that we have not mentioned so far—his passionate love of music. He became a good friend of my father and would come to dinner. I was always struck...

Member
Lord Berkeley of Knighton (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2024
Reference
835 cc459-460
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I agree with all those who have said how regrettable it is that anyone should have their name dragged through the mud, particularly when they are not here to defend themselves. I commend the noble Lord, Lord Lexden, and other colleagues, for their tenacity and resolve in pursuing...

Member
Baroness Doocey (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2024
Reference
835 cc460-1
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Lexden for securing this debate. I recognise that this is an issue of long-standing

interest for him and all other noble Lords who have contributed. I thank them particularly for their many personal experiences of Sir Edward Heath, the great statesman, especially...

Member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2024
Reference
835 cc462-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, may I just contest the point the Minister has just made? This is not a local issue; it is a national issue. That has been made perfectly clear by the points that have been made. While I am on my feet, I will just say that when I...

Member
Lord Butler of Brockwell (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2024
Reference
835 c464
House
House of Lords

I thank the noble Lord for his intervention. I did not say that it was a local matter; I said that it was for the local force to decide whether they considered that to be appropriate. I think that is an important distinction. I accept that—

Member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2024
Reference
835 c465
House
House of Lords

I say to my noble friend that I am coming to that in a second.

I have to a large degree retraced a lot of old ground, which is perhaps only to be expected when considering a question that we have already discussed many times. I am reconciled to the fact...

Member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2024
Reference
835 c465
House
House of Lords

Given that the reputation of the former Prime Minister has been tarnished, and my noble friend the Minister has set out the reasons why there should be no further inquiry, does he regard it as satisfactory that that reputation remains tarnished?

Member
Lord Sherbourne of Didsbury (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2024
Reference
835 c465
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will also come to that.

I am grateful to my noble friend Lord Lexden for securing this debate, as I said earlier, and to other noble Lords for their contributions. As regards the question that was asked of me by my noble friend Lord Lexden, which has just...

Member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2024
Reference
835 cc465-6
House
House of Lords