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Motion that this House has considered e-petition 206851 relating to a public inquiry into the James Bulger murder case. Agreed to on question.

Lead member
George Howarth
Answering member
Edward Argar
Department
Ministry of Justice
Type
Backbench debates; e-petition debates
Date
25 March 2024
Reference
747 cc403-420WH
House
House of Commons

I beg to move,

That this House has considered e-petition 206851 relating to a public inquiry into the James Bulger murder case.

I am pleased to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Henderson. I thank the Petitions Committee for granting this opportunity to debate the petition, which refers to the concerns that people,...

Member
George Howarth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 March 2024
Reference
747 cc403-5WH
House
House of Commons

For the bulk of my time I am going to dedicate my voice, as my right hon. Friend the Member for Knowsley (Sir George Howarth)

also did in part, to the voice of Denise Fergus, James’s mother. Like my right hon. Friend, I have a statement from her with me:

“Honourable...

Member
Jess Phillips (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 March 2024
Reference
747 cc405-7WH
House
House of Commons

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairship, Mr Henderson. I thank my constituency neighbour, my right hon. Friend the Member for Knowsley (Sir George Howarth), for bringing forward this debate today, as well as the thousands of constituents who signed the petition to have this debate heard.

The horrific...

Member
Paula Barker (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 March 2024
Reference
747 cc407-9WH
House
House of Commons

It is a pleasure to be here under your chairmanship, Mr Henderson. I thank my right hon. Friend the Member for Knowsley (Sir George Howarth) for bringing this debate to Westminster Hall, and James’s family for initiating this petition, signed by 213,000 people, of whom 5,000 are in my constituency....

Member
Peter Dowd (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 March 2024
Reference
747 cc409-410WH
House
House of Commons

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Henderson. I thank my right hon. Friend the Member for Knowsley (Sir George Howarth) for leading the e-petition debate calling for a public inquiry into the conduct and management of those responsible for the death of young James Bulger, as...

Member
Alex Cunningham (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 March 2024
Reference
747 cc410-2WH
House
House of Commons

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship this afternoon, Mr Henderson. At the outset, may I join right hon. and hon. Members in acknowledging the dedication and determination of Mrs Denise Fergus, James’s mother,

in campaigning on this petition and successfully securing a debate on this hugely important...

Member
Edward Argar (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 March 2024
Reference
747 cc412-4WH
House
House of Commons

I do not think anybody here would expect that; we are not judge and jury in this building. However, as the Minister said, Jack Straw was the last person to ask for a review. If, as the Minister has outlined,

he cannot commit to a full public inquiry, is there...

Member
Jess Phillips (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 March 2024
Reference
747 c414WH
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to the hon. Lady. At the risk of potentially damaging her reputation, let me say that I have huge respect for her; I did a lot of work with her when I was the victims Minister and she held the role of shadow safeguarding Minister. I appreciate...

Member
Edward Argar (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 March 2024
Reference
747 cc415-6WH
House
House of Commons

Will the Minister give way?

Member
Alex Cunningham (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 March 2024
Reference
747 c416WH
House
House of Commons

I will answer two further points and then give way to the shadow Minister.

On transparency, we have made progress since the original Parole Board hearings and the original case. I am grateful to the hon. Member for Liverpool, Wavertree for highlighting the steps forward. Victims may now apply for a...

Member
Edward Argar (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 March 2024
Reference
747 c416WH
House
House of Commons

I thank the Minister for giving way and for answering the point I raised. I want to go back to the 70 referrals. I accept that they were referrals, rather than confirmed breaches. However, even if 10 or 15 of those referrals were considered to be breaches of his licence,...

Member
Alex Cunningham (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 March 2024
Reference
747 c416WH
House
House of Commons

The context in which I addressed that was the point made by the hon. Member for Birmingham, Yardley about notifications and thresholds. Those previous breaches—where, cumulatively, there is a breach and another breach—may not bring about a recall, but a probation officer managing the case will look at all those...

Member
Edward Argar (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 March 2024
Reference
747 c417WH
House
House of Commons

Will the Minister give way?

Member
Jess Phillips (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 March 2024
Reference
747 c417WH
House
House of Commons

Will the Minister give way?

Member
George Howarth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 March 2024
Reference
747 c417WH
House
House of Commons

I will give way to the hon. Lady and then the right hon. Gentleman.

Member
Edward Argar (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 March 2024
Reference
747 c417WH
House
House of Commons

I apologise if this was what my right hon. Friend the Member for Knowsley was going to say. We all know the CPS has to build the best case for getting a conviction, and some things will get left out and some things will not. But when the sexual element...

Member
Jess Phillips (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 March 2024
Reference
747 c417WH
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to the hon. Lady. As I say, the decisions on what to include are ultimately down to the prosecuting counsel and prosecuting lawyers from the CPS, but I will touch on those aspects when addressing a further question posed by the right hon. Member for Knowsley in...

Member
Edward Argar (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 March 2024
Reference
747 c417WH
House
House of Commons

The point my hon. Friend the Member for Birmingham, Yardley (Jess Phillips) was making is that, had that information been available at the time and during the trial, subsequent decisions that had to be made would have taken on a whole new light. She accepts and I accept—I think we...

Member
George Howarth (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 March 2024
Reference
747 c418WH
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman, and I will come on to address, to a degree, that specific point. Notwithstanding how the CPS and how the case itself was conducted and what evidence was used, when recommending the release in 2001, I am advised that the Parole Board...

Member
Edward Argar (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 March 2024
Reference
747 cc418-420WH
House
House of Commons