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The hon. Gentleman makes very good points and I agree with him.

Manchester used Bisley in 2002, although it is 215 miles from the shooting ground. I therefore argue that it can be done and that Bisley can provide the required facilities. I concede that Bisley is not in tip-top condition,...

Member
Lord Jack of Courance (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2018
Reference
643 cc375-6WH
House
House of Commons

I beg to move,

That this House has considered the removal of shooting sports from Birmingham 2022 Commonwealth Games.

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Hanson. I would like to push forward with the efforts started by the hon. Member for Strangford (Jim Shannon)—I am pleased to see...

Member
Lord Jack of Courance (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2018
Reference
643 c374WH
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for allowing me to intervene so early in his speech. The notion that Bisley is too far away is simply nonsensical. It was upgraded for the Commonwealth games a number of years ago and is a perfect, ready-made and ready-prepared venue for these...

Member
Mark Garnier (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2018
Reference
643 c374WH
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend makes a number of excellent points and he will be pleased to know that I will cover them all. As I have said, the organisers said that Bisley, at 130 miles from Birmingham, is too far away. They also claimed that it would be too expensive to...

Member
Lord Jack of Courance (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2018
Reference
643 cc374-5WH
House
House of Commons

I congratulate the hon. Gentleman on securing this debate on a topic that we are all interested in. The fact that more of those who participated in the Adjournment debate are not here does not mean it is any less of a concern today. Does he agree that the removal...

Member
Jim Shannon (Democratic Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2018
Reference
643 c375WH
House
House of Commons

As always, it is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Hanson. I thank my hon. Friend the Member for Dumfries and Galloway (Mr Jack) for leading today’s debate, which

follows the recent Adjournment debate tabled by the hon. Member for Strangford (Jim Shannon). I am grateful to the...

Member
Tracey Crouch (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2018
Reference
643 cc376-8WH
House
House of Commons

The Minister says that Bisley is 20 years old; it has been 20 years since its last refurbishment, but it is much older than that. As a teenager, I shot at Bisley, so I can assure the Minister it is a lot older. It is not a significant cost to...

Member
Lord Jack of Courance (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2018
Reference
643 c378WH
House
House of Commons

I am grateful for my hon. Friend’s clarification, but it is not just about the cost; it could also be about the accommodation. We are looking at the issue and, as I said at the outset, the Secretary of State and I both support the inclusion of shooting, but as...

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Tracey Crouch (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2018
Reference
643 c378WH
House
House of Commons

Perhaps there is a glimmer of hope in the Minister’s response. Bisley is a world-renowned championship venue for many events. The skeletal frame is in place, but if some edges need to be sharpened—if accommodation needs to be arranged and some other small things need to be done—that is not...

Member
Jim Shannon (Democratic Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2018
Reference
643 c378WH
House
House of Commons

I do not disagree with the hon. Gentleman or with my hon. Friend the Member for Dumfries and Galloway, but there are logistical and cost challenges. They are not necessarily ones that we cannot overcome, and both Members are right to place their points on the record, to ensure that...

Member
Tracey Crouch (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2018
Reference
643 c379WH
House
House of Commons

I thank the Minister for her detailed response. The point about the accommodation could be a spurious argument from the games organisers, because the athletes competing in the other sports that replace shooting will still need accommodation. Whether that is near Bisley or Birmingham, there is still a cost. There...

Member
Lord Jack of Courance (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2018
Reference
643 c379WH
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to my hon. Friend. We can further discuss the assumptions in his point after the debate.

In selecting optional sports, the games partners have to take into account the four considerations I just outlined while complying with the athlete and team official quota restrictions set by the Commonwealth...

Member
Tracey Crouch (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 June 2018
Reference
643 cc379-380WH
House
House of Commons

Motion that this House has considered the removal of shooting sports from Birmingham 2022 Commonwealth Games. Agreed to on question.

Lead member
Lord Jack of Courance
Answering member
Tracey Crouch
Department
Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport
Type
Debates
Date
27 June 2018
Reference
643 cc373-381WH
House
House of Commons
To ask Her Majesty’s Government what plans they have to publish the paper presented by the Government Olympic Executive to the Olympic Board on 19 March on the issue of the suitability of Bisley as a venue for the shooting discipline at the 2012 London Olympic Games.
Asked by
Lord Addington (Liberal Democrat)
Oral questions - Lead
Status
Answered
Date
25 June 2009
Reference
711 c1667
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for that Answer. Will he confirm that the Government will encourage the Olympics wherever possible to undertake that type of briefing on any future issues? Will he also take this opportunity to confirm that it is the job of the Olympic movement to deliver a successful Games and to leave a legacy from those Games? The creation of white elephants would damage the idea and the spirit behind the Olympics, which surely must be the greatest legacy.
Asked by
Lord Addington (Liberal Democrat)
Oral questions - 1st Supplementary
Status
Answered
Date
25 June 2009
Reference
711 c1667-8
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I understand that there was a detailed discussion on Tuesday evening between the London Organising Committee of the 2012 Olympic Games and Paralympic Games, the Olympic Delivery Authority, representatives from the National Shooting Centre at Bisley and a number of noble Lords. At that meeting LOCOG and the ODA set out in detail the basis of the Olympic Board’s decision to confirm Woolwich as the venue for the 2012 shooting events. The Government are committed to securing a positive legacy from the shooting events in 2012 and will work with British Shooting, among others, to maximise the opportunities for the sport beyond 2012.
Answered by
Lord Davies of Oldham (Labour)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
25 June 2009
Reference
711 c1667
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I largely agree with the noble Lord. It is important that we have a successful Games, a major feature of which should be the legacy. However, the legacy is not just about bricks and mortar; it is about raising the profile of the sport. Having shooting close to the Olympic village and part, therefore, of the integrity of the Olympic Games will raise that profile, to say nothing of the fact that Woolwich barracks are both historic and located in a main urban area. We want to spread the appreciation of shooting as a sport and the venue will help in that respect.
Answered by
Lord Davies of Oldham (Labour)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
25 June 2009
Reference
711 c1667-8
House
House of Lords
My Lords, as I have indicated, the most valuable legacy of the Games is to encourage people, particularly young people, to participate in the vast range of sports that the Olympics represent. I understand exactly the point made by the noble Lord. We consider the physical legacy from the shooting range at Woolwich to be at least as extensive as anything from Bisley. We do not see a great deal of legacy for the future in Bisley. That is one reason why this decision has been taken. However, I entirely accept that, as the noble Lords says, if the legacy is to be promoted effectively in terms of shooting kits and encouragement of the sport, the relationship between the Olympic authorities and British Shooting and all shooting groups must improve on what has obviously obtained in recent months.
Answered by
Lord Davies of Oldham (Labour)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
25 June 2009
Reference
711 c1668
House
House of Lords
My Lords, we will discuss with British Shooting the whole question of the legacy from Woolwich. We are optimistic that there will be a considerable one, including part of the range to be relocated. The House will appreciate that British Shooting has been strong in its view that Bisley ought to have been the location. The decision is final that Woolwich is the better option in the overall strategy for the Games. It is important that the Olympic authorities now relate closely to British Shooting and all those with the interests of the sport at heart to guarantee that this issue of legacy is promoted satisfactorily.
Answered by
Lord Davies of Oldham (Labour)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
25 June 2009
Reference
711 c1669
House
House of Lords
My Lords, Woolwich has a certain connection with shooting: it is the home of the Royal Artillery. I understand what my noble friend is saying about this sport. The same issue could be presented for the equestrian events, another contentious issue that we have discussed. Everybody knows the worldwide renown of Burghley and of Badminton. The decision that those events should be taken in Greenwich Park, close to the Olympic Village, is on exactly the same logic. These are the London Games. The integrity of these sports, which are often somewhat distant from the focal points of the Games, will be, in the London instance, closely related to the excitement round the immediate area of the Olympic village.
Answered by
Lord Davies of Oldham (Labour)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
25 June 2009
Reference
711 c1669
House
House of Lords