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Transport (Wales) Bill

I was not suggesting that everyone goes to Liverpool, and I am not necessarily disputing the hon. Gentleman’s figures, though it was interesting to hear him mention people in the health service, which is the public sector. To put that into context, we need to reflect not just on how many people travel from north to south—of course, we know that people do that all the time—but on how many travel from east to west every day. Only when those figures are properly established can we take a decision about whether there is a genuine demand for new transport services.