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European Council

I suppose that realistic Euroscepticism is better than unrealistic Euroscepticism. However, the problem with the programme that the right hon. Gentleman outlines is that we would not gain support for it in the rest of Europe—it would alienate people in the rest of Europe. Furthermore, if we were to retreat to such a position and make Europe the type of area that he is thinking of, that would not be to the benefit of this country or of Europe. I caution him against thinking that the no votes in France and Holland are a vote for the type of vision that he outlines—I really do not think that they are.