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Road Safety Bill [HL]

My Lords, I confess that I did not have those words from the Labour Party manifesto in my mind, but they do not seem to have been as direct as the wording of the manifesto may have been in other areas. If you talk about much tougher penalties rather than custodial sentences, you are avoiding the key issue. The Minister proposes to raise the fine to £5,000, and I support that; that is a much tougher penalty—it is double the present one, but it is not a custodial sentence. The custodial sentence is contrary to principle in all other areas.