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Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill

I do not think that any of us would say that to go voluntarily is not better than to go compulsorily—I concede that. I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Judd—not for the first time—that if one really wants to give something up, it is easy. I really wanted to give up smoking and it was dead easy. When I was told that I had to give up Hooch because of health problems, I found it incredibly easy. I wanted to do it, and that is important. I therefore concede that the noble Lord is halfway down the track. Still, I ask what many young people would rather do: would they rather go and be lectured by a reformed alcoholic, employed by the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, or go down the pub to drink illegally? The answer in the case of a lot of people is probably the latter. Even though voluntarism is better, it is to those people that one has to apply some pressure.