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Health and Social Care Bill

I do not for a moment doubt the noble Baroness’s sincerity nor her motivation in wanting the merger to happen, but perhaps she will understand the concern that some of us have that what happens in the community is not extended healthcare; it is social care. That is the sort of argument we wish to have, particularly when much of what will happen in the community in future may well come under the auspices of an acute trust, but that may well be up against services that are being commissioned by individual social care users. Those are much lower level services, not medical-based services in any way. I feel that I have prolonged my argument, but I remain unconvinced. I look forward to the noble Lord, Lord Lipsey, taking the baton up again.