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Crime (International Co-operation) Act 2003 (Designation of Participating Countries) (England, Wales and Northern Ireland) (No. 2) Order 2009

I thank the Minister for his explanation of the order. As always, I had some problems with the drafting of the statutory instrument and started trying to use what I think are called Venn diagrams to indicate which bits applied to Iceland and Norway, which bits applied to Switzerland and which bits applied to both. I then tried to make use of the Explanatory Memorandum, which is, despite improvements in Explanatory Memoranda over the years, not as clear as it could be. However, I offer a deep expression of thanks to the Minister for making it clear in his speech, so that my Venn diagrams became unnecessary and I think I now know exactly which bits apply to which countries: that is, that telephone evidence can be taken in relation to Iceland and Norway, but that does not seem to apply to Switzerland; whereas in Switzerland, there is a process relating to documents under Section 4B. When he comes to wind up the debate, perhaps the Minister can explain why there should be a difference between Iceland and Norway on the one hand and Switzerland on the other. Other than that, I thank him for his explanation; I have no further questions.