Debate on bill on Tuesday, 18 October 2005, in the House of Lords.
Charities Bill [HL]
Charities Bill (HL). Lords report stage second day.
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- Parliamentary proceeding
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- 674 c680-733
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- 2005-06
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- Home Office
- Legislative stage
- Report stage
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- House of Lords chamber
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- Proceeding contributions
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 674 c682 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister and the Government for taking up my amendment and producing the one b...
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Lord Swinfen | 674 c682-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 62:"After Clause 26, insert the following new clause—" ““RIGHT OF REPLY TO ...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 674 c683-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I regret to say that I cannot support the noble Lord, Lord Swinfen, in his amendment, alth...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c680 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on behalf of my noble friend Lady Scotland of Asthal I beg to move that the Bill be now fu...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c680-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 61:"After Clause 26, insert the following new clause—" ““RESTRICTIONS ON MO...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c698-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 68:"Page 105, line 25, leave out ““the address of its principal office”” and ins...
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Earl of Caithness | 674 c699 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if it is a burden on charities to have to write a new constitution every time they move th...
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Earl of Caithness | 674 c699 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, with respect, and before the Minister sits down, if he is trying to be helpful, it would b...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c699 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not sure how many times this occurs. It may be a minor inconvenience, but we are tryi...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 674 c700 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 69:"Page 111, line 21, leave out from ““subject”” to end of line 22 and insert “...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c699 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will happily take the point away and we shall think about it. I do not think that it wil...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 674 c701 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I confess that I did not understand the justification given by the Minister unless it were...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c700-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the purpose of subsection (9) of the new Section 69I is to make it clear that liabilities ...
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Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 674 c702 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for bringing forward the amendments. I express one hope. Six...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c701-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 70:"Page 114, line 10, at end insert—" ““(7A) If the Commission does not not...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 674 c694 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not think that I received the briefing to which everyone is referring. I hope that th...
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Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 674 c696 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when the Government come to look at the regulations, would they be prepared to give attent...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c695-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, like the noble Lord, Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, I have some sympathy with what the no...
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Earl of Caithness | 674 c694-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in defence of surveyors, I would merely point out to the noble Lord, Lord Phillips, that i...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c697-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 66:"Page 98, line 9, leave out ““applies”” and insert ““, is to be treated as fo...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c697 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 65:"Page 98, line 8, leave out ““to which”” and insert ““which, by virtue of””" ...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c696 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that might best be expedited through some reference to sell-on clauses and so forth. It is...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c698 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 67:"Page 102, leave out lines 36 to 38." The noble Lord said: My Lords, in movi...
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Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 674 c705-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 83:"Page 42, leave out lines 38 to 40." The noble Lord said: My Lords, I rise t...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 674 c707 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sympathetic to what the noble Lord, Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbots, has said, and to m...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c707-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, for his explanation of th...
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Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 674 c709-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am extremely grateful to the Minister for the careful consideration he has given to the ...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 674 c713 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble Lord and I accept that invitation. There are some other as...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c713 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my original speaking note started with the legend ““Resist””, but having listened to the r...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 674 c711 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have only one point on the Minister’s very clear explanation of this group of amendments...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c710-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 85:"Page 46, line 20, at end insert—" ““(4A) In the case of a merger involvi...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 674 c712-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 86:"Page 46, line 21, leave out from ““above”” to end of line 22 and insert ““sh...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c711-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for his question. Charities which merge will want to make ...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c702 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am tempted to make a cheap comment about the length of the period that it takes to choos...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c703 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 71 to 74:"Page 114, leave out line 11 and insert ““If the resolution is confir...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 674 c702 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, a week is a long time in politics.
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c704-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 82:"Page 38, line 23, leave out ““sent to”” and insert ““received by””" The nob...
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Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 674 c704 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister and I understand the issue of charities A, B and C. I hope t...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c704 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall try to deal with this tectonic fare as rapidly as I can. The noble Lord is right: ...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c703 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 75 to 78:"Page 35, leave out lines 21 to 25 and insert—" ““(b) a person ap...
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Lord Best | 674 c689-92 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 64:"After Clause 26, insert the following new clause—" ““SALE OF FUNCTIONAL...
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Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 674 c692-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Best, for having raised this important issue. It is ...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 674 c687 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I largely agree with what the noble Lord, Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbots, has just said. Th...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c687-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have spent a long time discussing the appointment of interim managers during the passag...
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Lord Swinfen | 674 c689 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken on the amendment. My noble friend said that the dr...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c684-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Swinfen, has steadfastly raised the issue at every stage of the Bill’...
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Lord Swinfen | 674 c685 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I note what the Minister says. I hope that, when ensuring that sufficient time is given fo...
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Lord Swinfen | 674 c685-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 63:"After Clause 26, insert the following new clause—" ““RECEIVER AND MANAG...
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Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 674 c686-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend has brought to our attention an important point. It has obviously caused a...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c733 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 118: "Line 2, leave out ““Appeal””" On Question, amendment agreed to.
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Lord Sainsbury of Preston Candover | 674 c723-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I put my name to the amendment for three reasons. First, as my noble friend Lord Hodgson s...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c721 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 101:"Page 143, line 31, leave out paragraph 125 and insert—" ““(1) Section 3...
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Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 674 c721-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 102:"Page 143, line 36, at end insert—" ““( ) In subsection (2), at the en...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c720 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 96:"Page 56, line 37, leave out ““consents”” and insert ““trustees consent””" O...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c719 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 95:"Page 56, line 33, leave out paragraph (a) and insert—" ““(a) each of the...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 674 c716 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am most grateful to the Minister. Without having moved Amendment No. 88, I accept his ki...
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Earl of Caithness | 674 c716 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that when we come to Amendment No. 88, we, too, will be entitled to know what the p...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 674 c716 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is the noble Earl sure that he wants to listen to that explanation at this time of day? In...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 674 c718 (Link to this contribution) had given notice of his intention to move Amendment No. 88:"Page 46, line 34, leave out from first “...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 674 c713-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 87:"Page 46, line 32, at end insert—" ““( ) Where the statement in subsect...
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Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 674 c714-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Phillips, said, my name is down to Amendment No. 87. I wish to add...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c715-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am obviously very much in the hands of the House. As regards Amendment No. 88, I was goi...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 674 c715 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. I did not move the second amendment in the...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 674 c732 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Lord sits down, I am grateful for what he said. Will he give the House an...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c731-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the thing is that weasely words have a value, and we all know that. I am not going to hove...
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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c730 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 108 and 109:"Page 158, column 2, leave out line 43 and insert—"Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c729 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 105:"Page 151, line 30, leave out ““““70”””” and insert ““““17(2),””””" The nob...Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c729 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 106:"Page 153, line 38, leave out ““Appeal””" On Question, amendment agreed to....Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c729-30 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 107:"Page 154, line 19, at end insert—" (1) Section 79 of the Deregulation a...Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 674 c726-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who spoke in support of the amendment; namely, my noble f...Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c726 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord is perfectly at liberty to invite me to do that, but I am equally at libert...Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 674 c726 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I invite the Minister to consider the language of, say, sale of goods legislation, which i...Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c733 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 113 to 116: "Page 74, line 7, leave out ““legislation”” and insert ““enactmen...Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c733 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 117: "Page 74, line 30, leave out ““or 74””" On Question, amendment agreed to....Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 674 c724 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I strongly support the tenor of the amendment. We spent a lot of time earlier in the Bill’...Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c721 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 100:"Page 73, line 31, leave out ““contains repeals, including repeals of spent ...Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c720-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 99:"Page 59, line 42, after ““application”” insert ““within the prescribed perio...Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c720 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 97:"Page 58, line 24, leave out ““Appeal””" On Question, amendment agreed to. ...Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c718-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 89 to 94:"Page 47, line 11, leave out ““subsection (3)”” and insert ““subsecti...Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c715 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall address both amendments. Amendment No. 87 seeks to add to the general law as regar...Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 674 c733 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is nice to respond to the last group of amendments on Report by saying how strongly one...Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c732 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 111: "Page 161, line 14, leave out paragraph 12 and insert—" ““12 Sectio...Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c732 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord knows that I cannot go around interfering in the detailed staffing of the C...Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 674 c731 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my question follows to some extent what the noble Lord, Lord Phillips, said. I understand ...Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 674 c731 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am indeed going to support the amendment with enthusiasm so long as I have an assurance ...Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c730-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 110: "Page 159, line 22, at end insert—" Any consultation initiated by the...Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c729 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 104:"Page 148, line 25, after ““Commissioners”””” insert ““(in the first place)”...Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c729 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 103:"Page 145, line 18, leave out sub-paragraph (4) and insert—" ““( ) Omi...Earl of Caithness | 674 c724-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this was discussed at various meetings of the pre-legislative scrutiny committee. I see th...Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c725-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Hodgson, for moving the amendment and to other noble...Lord Best | 674 c696-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to noble Lords for expressing their views on this matter and for all th...Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c720 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 98:"Page 59, line 29, leave out subsection (4) and insert—" ““(4) Where an a...Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c732-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 112: "Page 74, line 5, leave out ““an Act”” and insert—" ““(a) a single Act...Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c703 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 79:"Page 36, line 2, leave out ““73D”” and insert ““73DA””" On Question, amendm...Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 674 c703-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 80:"Page 37, line 39, after ““charity”” insert ““or charities””" The noble Lord...
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