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Debate on bill on Monday, 19 June 2006, in the House of Commons, led by Baroness Hughes of Stretford. The answering member was Lord Willetts.

Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Bill [HL]

Safeguarding Vulnerable groups Bill (HL). Second reading debate. Agreed to on question. Programme motion on proceedings in Committee, on Report, Third Reading and any other proceedings agreed to on question (formal). Queens consent signified. Money resolution agreed to on question (formal).

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
447 c1083-154 
Session
2005-06
Department
Department for Education and Skills
Legislative stage
Second reading
Procedure
Programme motions
Money resolutions
Queen's consent
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Maria Miller | 447 c1083 (Link to this contribution) The third Bichard report, which the Home Secretary issued only a month ago, clearly refers to the Of...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 447 c1083 (Link to this contribution) No, I assure the hon. Gentleman that the report was not available to us at that point. Ministers wou...
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Lord Willetts | 447 c1083 (Link to this contribution) As I understand it, the Ofsted report is about whether local authorities and schools have discharged...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 447 c1083 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time. Nothing can be more important than ensuring...
Parmjit Dhanda | 447 c1152 (Link to this contribution) As I said earlier, cautions and allegations are part of the Bill and things that the IBB can conside...
Parmjit Dhanda | 447 c1152-3 (Link to this contribution) I want to make a little progress, because I know that I am close to my agreed time. My hon. Friend ...
Tim Loughton | 447 c1146-9 (Link to this contribution) It is unfortunate that the Department for Education and Skills is unable to persuade Ofsted of the i...
Parmjit Dhanda | 447 c1149 (Link to this contribution) I shall seek to take some heat out of the debate by thanking the hon. Member for East Worthing and S...
Judy Mallaber | 447 c1152 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend meet me to discuss the particular point that I raised about extending the provis...
Parmjit Dhanda | 447 c1150-2 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a pertinent point, which I will come to later, because it was made by hon. ...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 447 c1150 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the hon. Gentleman on making his ministerial debut tonight. Is not the Achilles heel ...
Parmjit Dhanda | 447 c1150 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an important suggestion for debate. We have had that conversation on a few occa...
David Leslie Taylor | 447 c1149-50 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister recall the series of programmes entitled ““Britain’s Secret Shame””, which reveale...
Parmjit Dhanda | 447 c1149 (Link to this contribution) I totally agree. We will work with local authorities to ensure that advice is available to people re...
Bob Spink | 447 c1149 (Link to this contribution) On that subject, does the Minister agree that elderly people who use the direct payment scheme need ...
Maria Miller | 447 c1090 (Link to this contribution) The Minister touched on the issue of people who do controlled jobs, and on them receiving supervisio...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 447 c1090 (Link to this contribution) No, I do not think that that would be the case. The law will require, as it currently does, employer...
Margaret Moran | 447 c1090 (Link to this contribution) For employers, the safeguards required in such circumstances is a complex area. How will they be adv...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 447 c1090 (Link to this contribution) That is an interesting point, which I think we will discuss further. In respect of an activity for w...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 447 c1090-1 (Link to this contribution) We will set out in great detail in statutory guidance the extra safeguards that employers will be ob...
Annette Brooke | 447 c1089 (Link to this contribution) I am a little confused about the differentiation between further education establishments and school...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 447 c1089 (Link to this contribution) Many students in FE colleges will be over 18, but I am referring to support work, not to direct teac...
Lord Willetts | 447 c1089 (Link to this contribution) On the way in which lines have been drawn in the Bill, another important issue is that, increasingly...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 447 c1089 (Link to this contribution) The Bill makes no distinctions whatsoever in terms of the requirements for checking whether an appli...
Andrew Turner | 447 c1089 (Link to this contribution) Might employers be found guilty of racial discrimination if they err on the side of caution in respe...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 447 c1087-8 (Link to this contribution) I am very aware of my hon. Friend’s personal interest in the matter and why she raises the question....
Betty Williams | 447 c1087 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure whether my right hon. Friend is going to elaborate, but will she explain the rationale...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 447 c1086-7 (Link to this contribution) I know that there is a lot of concern about this. Indeed, an amendment has already been made in the ...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 447 c1088 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree with my hon. Friend. We need a wide and detailed campaign or communications strateg...
Joan Humble | 447 c1088 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend has said that the Bill covers a far wider work force than is covered by current...
Andrew Turner | 447 c1085 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister give us some advice on the position of children, particularly those over 16 but un...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 447 c1085-6 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the hon. Gentleman will be patient, as that will become clear when I get to those provis...
James Paice | 447 c1084-5 (Link to this contribution) The Minister will recall that I represent Soham. I am obviously glad that the IMPACT programme is in...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 447 c1085 (Link to this contribution) I understand the hon. Gentleman’s obvious concern. The IMPACT programme is fully operational across ...
Maria Miller | 447 c1097 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend raises an excellent point. We need to keep the processes and procedures of the Crimin...
Andrew Turner | 447 c1097 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that one of the problems is still the time that it takes to get informatio...
Maria Miller | 447 c1098 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for making that point and raising the broader issue that we cannot view vetti...
Anne Main | 447 c1097 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that we are talking about the accuracy of reporting? Her Majesty’s chief i...
Maria Miller | 447 c1097 (Link to this contribution) Thank you for that clarification, Madam Deputy Speaker. I am astounded that it would be felt at all ...
Speaker | 447 c1097 (Link to this contribution) I understand that the Secretary of State may have misunderstood ““Erskine May”” and that that is not...
Maria Miller | 447 c1097 (Link to this contribution) That is an excellent point and the hon. Lady is right to say that it is important that we know the f...
Madeleine Moon | 447 c1097 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady accept that part of the reason why we know how many employers are not following t...
Madeleine Moon | 447 c1098 (Link to this contribution) The House might find it useful to know that, as an ex-care standards inspector, I am well aware of t...
Maria Miller | 447 c1098-100 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady has a great deal of experience in this area and makes a valuable contribution to our d...
Hywel Williams | 447 c1100 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady accept that it is not only employers who should have responsibility, but the agen...
Parmjit Dhanda | 447 c1103 (Link to this contribution) No doubt we will discuss this in Committee but, even at this stage in the debate, I am keen to hear ...
Maria Miller | 447 c1103 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady for her intervention and for her support. It is not my intention to create mor...
Annette Brooke | 447 c1102-3 (Link to this contribution) I agree with most of what the hon. Lady has been saying and sympathise with her comments about the v...
Maria Miller | 447 c1101-2 (Link to this contribution) That is a good question. I believe that an amendment was tabled in the Lords on damages for maliciou...
Andrew Turner | 447 c1101 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend think it appropriate to exclude action for damages when a mistake leads to someo...
Maria Miller | 447 c1101 (Link to this contribution) The Minister makes a good point. It is important that the CRB errs on the side of caution. It has be...
Parmjit Dhanda | 447 c1101 (Link to this contribution) On CRB checks, I am sure that the hon. Lady agrees that it is important that the CRB always errs on ...
Maria Miller | 447 c1100-1 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a good point, which was raised earlier. It is important that we ensure that...
Maria Miller | 447 c1103-4 (Link to this contribution) It is for the Minister to provide that, rather than asking the official Opposition to do the work. I...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 447 c1091 (Link to this contribution) It will be very important that we communicate to parents not only the details of the scheme, but the...
Annette Brooke | 447 c1091 (Link to this contribution) The Minister was asked how information would be disseminated. It seems to me that it will be particu...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 447 c1091 (Link to this contribution) There are security questions, which we have considered in great detail. Parents will be able to chec...
Maria Miller | 447 c1091 (Link to this contribution) The ability to check online is not covered by the Bill, despite the fact that it was heavily trailed...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 447 c1092 (Link to this contribution) This facility will not be open to all and sundry. The person who wants to check online has to have t...
Anne Main | 447 c1091-2 (Link to this contribution) Someone such as a parent can look online to check the details of someone they are employing, but wha...
Margaret Moran | 447 c1092 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend believe that people accessing online child pornography will fall within the clas...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 447 c1092-3 (Link to this contribution) My hesitation arises from the fact that the form of words in the Bill in relation to pornography is ...
David Anderson | 447 c1094 (Link to this contribution) Has my right hon. Friend considered the impact of implementing these proposals on the recruitment ti...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 447 c1094 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for making that point. When the scheme is fully implemented and when employer...
Hywel Williams | 447 c1094-5 (Link to this contribution) I refer the Minister to the point made by the hon. Member for Blaydon (Mr. Anderson) about recruitme...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 447 c1094 (Link to this contribution) I understand why the hon. Gentleman raises that point. It is a delicate issue, which we need to be c...
Maria Miller | 447 c1095-6 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady makes a good point: we cannot force people to report those who may be committing offen...
Joan Humble | 447 c1095 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Lady aware that sometimes the problem with regard to vulnerable adults and elderly peopl...
Maria Miller | 447 c1095 (Link to this contribution) The most fundamental role of Government is to help to ensure the safety of their citizens, so it is ...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 447 c1095 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure whether the hon. Gentleman was in his place when I responded to an earlier point about...
Alan Johnson | 447 c1096 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. I believe that ““Erskine May”” specifically states that n...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 447 c1096 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady accept that it is premature of her to make such a sweeping statement—certainly gi...
Maria Miller | 447 c1096 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to say that members of the press feel that it is important that Her Majesty’s Oppositio...
Judy Mallaber | 447 c1136 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend think that not only those who have been taken to court, but those who have accep...
Margaret Moran | 447 c1136-7 (Link to this contribution) The fact that someone accepted a caution for accessing child pornography under Operation Ore does no...
Hywel Williams | 447 c1130-3 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Amber Valley (Judy Mallaber). She made an interesting...
Margaret Moran | 447 c1134-6 (Link to this contribution) If I have the opportunity to serve on the Committee, we will no doubt continue that debate. We are s...
Andrew Turner | 447 c1125-7 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. No one is pretending that the problems are easy to solve—I t...
Judy Mallaber | 447 c1127-8 (Link to this contribution) Mr. Deputy Speaker, I apologise for not being here for the Minister’s opening speech. I told the Spe...
Tim Loughton | 447 c1128;447 c1128-9 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is making an important point, and I share her concerns. Does she acknowledge the conce...
Judy Mallaber | 447 c1129-30 (Link to this contribution) I agree. Those are clearly difficult cases. I do not know all the details, but such circumstances wo...
Tim Loughton | 447 c1143-6 (Link to this contribution) We have had rather a good and well-informed debate, but before I get into my winding-up speech, may ...
Adrian Sanders | 447 c1141 (Link to this contribution) I, too, hope that action will be taken. I wrote to the then Education Secretary, the right hon. Mem...
Rob Wilson | 447 c1141-3 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for not being here for the opening speech of the Minister for Children and Families, the...
Adrian Sanders | 447 c1140-1 (Link to this contribution) I take the hon. Gentleman’s point and the Government may well need to respond to it. However, I am c...
Annette Brooke | 447 c1141 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that my hon. Friend will not be surprised to learn that this issue was discussed during th...
Adrian Sanders | 447 c1140 (Link to this contribution) My interest is in those who come here for two or more weeks on an English language course. Teachers ...
Adrian Sanders | 447 c1139-40 (Link to this contribution) The Bill is a welcome framework for safeguarding previously unprotected groups. I want to speak abou...
David Leslie Taylor | 447 c1140 (Link to this contribution) I am interested in the hon. Gentleman’s comments. Does he believe that his remarks about the vulnera...
Anne Main | 447 c1137-9 (Link to this contribution) It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Luton, South (Margaret Moran). I support the pr...
Annette Brooke | 447 c1111-4 (Link to this contribution) From a sedentary position, I am getting some support on that point. However, we are optimistic that ...
Andrew Turner | 447 c1114 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady really think that one of the murderers of Mary-Ann Lenehan, who was under 18 when...
Annette Brooke | 447 c1114-5 (Link to this contribution) I would expect that person to be barred, but I think that as a general principle it is better for th...
Madeleine Moon | 447 c1115-6 (Link to this contribution) It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Mid-Dorset and North Poole (Annette Brooke), an...
Maria Miller | 447 c1116 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Lady join me in expressing concern that the Bill terms pregnant and breastfeeding wome...
Madeleine Moon | 447 c1116 (Link to this contribution) No, I would not join you in saying that, because we are all vulnerable adults at some point in our l...
Hywel Williams | 447 c1116 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady agree that the Bill defines what a vulnerable adult is very broadly? There are 10...
Joan Humble | 447 c1104-8 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to participate in the debate and wholeheartedly support this excellent legislation. I ...
Annette Brooke | 447 c1109-10 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the hon. Member for Blackpool, North and Fleetwood (Mrs. Humble) on raising those imp...
Speaker | 447 c1122 (Link to this contribution) Order. The average length of Back-Bench speeches has been 29 minutes. Seven hon. Members are seeking...
Andrew Turner | 447 c1122-3 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Bridgend (Mrs. Moon), who has painstakingly—almost pa...
Annette Brooke | 447 c1118-9 (Link to this contribution) I should like to elicit from the hon. Lady whether she thinks, given her experience, that the additi...
Madeleine Moon | 447 c1119-22 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady makes a valuable point. The Care Standards Act 2000 is clear in relation to the respo...
Hywel Williams | 447 c1125 (Link to this contribution) I fully accept the hon. Gentleman’s point about people in psychiatric units. Does he also accept tha...
Anne Main | 447 c1123 (Link to this contribution) The point about prison, whether it works and how long we imprison people for has been a subject of m...
Andrew Turner | 447 c1123-5 (Link to this contribution) We must indeed make sure that they stay in prison. We must make sure that the judiciary are enabled ...
Speaker | 447 c1116 (Link to this contribution) Order. I wonder whether I can help the hon. Lady with her terminology. She should refer to any other...
Madeleine Moon | 447 c1116-8 (Link to this contribution) I thank you for those corrections, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I have not had an opportunity to look in det...
Madeleine Moon | 447 c1116 (Link to this contribution) I have not had time to refer to the clause that you refer to. However, I think that you will find th...
Philip Hollobone | 447 c1086 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Lady explain the rationale behind there being two barred lists? There will obvio...
Parmjit Dhanda | 447 c1134 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a good point, but it is worth bearing it in mind that the scheme applies to bet...
David Leslie Taylor | 447 c1140 (Link to this contribution) My point is that the hon. Gentleman refers to families who receive students from abroad as part of a...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 447 c1083-4 (Link to this contribution) First, there is no Ofsted Bill but a report that the Government commissioned. However, Ofsted undert...
James Paice | 447 c1094 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has been generous in giving way. I entirely agree with what she has just said. Nothing ...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 447 c1146 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman not accept that when I made my opening remarks, I said that Ministers would ...
Margaret Moran | 447 c1133-4 (Link to this contribution) May I join my hon. Friends in welcoming the Bill, particularly as the Government probably have a pro...
Subjects
Disability Children Disclosure of information Criminal records Care homes Abuse Armed forces Employment Governing bodies Internet Protection Mental capacity Pornography Offences against children Migrant workers Standards Vetting Schools Vulnerable adults Training Sexual offences Independent Safeguarding Authority
Legislation
Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Bill (HL) 2005-06
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