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Opposition day on Tuesday, 24 April 2007, in the House of Commons, led by Lord Lansley. The answering member was Patricia Hewitt.

Modernising Medical Careers

Modernising medical careers. Ninth opposition day debate (part 1). Motion negatived on division (213 to 284). Amendment agreed to on question.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
459 c797-854 
Session
2006-07
Department
Department of Health
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Speaker | 459 c808 (Link to this contribution) Before I call the Secretary of State to move the amendment, I point out that a demonstration took pl...
Lord Mann | 459 c828 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an excellent point. Let me ask a couple of questions of Ministers. Under the G...
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Andrew Pelling | 459 c828 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Mann | 459 c827 (Link to this contribution) I will give way in a minute, but it is important that I make this point because it is precisely on t...
Justine Greening | 459 c827 (Link to this contribution) I am obviously listening to the hon. Gentleman’s rather long speech with interest. I presume that it...
Lord Mann | 459 c827-8 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is choosing not to listen to the point that is being made. The question of recruitment...
Fraser Kemp | 459 c828 (Link to this contribution) Some years ago, we had a serious problem in the city that I represent, Sunderland—we had the lowest ...
Speaker | 459 c827 (Link to this contribution) Order. This is not a debate about the training of Ministers or the NHS in general, it is about moder...
Lord Mann | 459 c827 (Link to this contribution) That is precisely the point that I am leading into. The successful ballot on the accident and emerge...
Nadine Dorries | 459 c834-5 (Link to this contribution) I apologise, Mr. Deputy Speaker. There are 650 MPs in the House, and I do not know how many of us h...
Nadine Dorries | 459 c834 (Link to this contribution) I thank Remedy UK and the junior doctors for the lobby that they organised in a professional and eff...
John Leech | 459 c833 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman acknowledge that some doctors will be left without a job, or does he agree w...
David Kidney | 459 c833-4 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman cannot have been listening to what I have said. Under the previous system, not ev...
Norman Lamb | 459 c831 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making some fair points in criticising the way in which the system has operate...
David Kidney | 459 c831-3 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Gentleman. I considered whether to intervene on him earlier to say that I agre...
Peter Viggers | 459 c828-9 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the hon. Member for Bassetlaw (John Mann), who made a clever job of distracting atten...
David Kidney | 459 c829-31 (Link to this contribution) The county town of Stafford employs a high proportion of public sector workers because it is an admi...
Lord Mann | 459 c828 (Link to this contribution) No; I am going to conclude in a minute because many Members wish to speak. [Interruption.] No doubt ...
Mike Penning | 459 c826 (Link to this contribution) With regard to Ministers moving on too fast, the Secretary of State has been in office throughout th...
Speaker | 459 c825 (Link to this contribution) The first point of order and the subsequent point of order are both accurate reflections of the Spea...
Speaker | 459 c824 (Link to this contribution) Order. I think that that doctor’s intervention is long enough.
Norman Lamb | 459 c824 (Link to this contribution) It has never been known in the past, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I endorse the question that my hon. Friend ...
Evan Harris | 459 c824 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister accept that the key to the mismatch between the number of juniors looking for trai...
David Heath | 459 c825 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Is it not customary in the House for a right hon. or hon. M...
Lord Deben | 459 c824 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman add to his questions to the Government a question about how bad the next dis...
Norman Lamb | 459 c825 (Link to this contribution) I have a great deal of sympathy with the right hon. Gentleman’s intervention. We heard earlier that ...
Nadine Dorries | 459 c835-6 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. The majority will come back and look for jobs, and we will be faced with the problem lat...
Mike Penning | 459 c835 (Link to this contribution) I could not agree more with my hon. Friend. Will not that just delay the problems, because once doct...
Andrew Pelling | 459 c836-7 (Link to this contribution) I greatly enjoyed the engaging speech of the hon. Member for Bassetlaw (John Mann), who stressed the...
Justine Greening | 459 c838 (Link to this contribution) Is it not bizarre that that is probably the only recruitment website in the world that does not allo...
Andrew Pelling | 459 c837 (Link to this contribution) It is certainly worthy of debate, but I want to concentrate on the Secretary of State’s approach and...
Richard Taylor | 459 c838-40 (Link to this contribution) The disaster that threatens to derail MMC is the medical training application service, so I shall co...
Andrew Pelling | 459 c838 (Link to this contribution) Notwithstanding the bold statement that the process is fair, it can only mean that people who have i...
Justine Greening | 459 c835 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making some excellent points. Anyone with primary school-age children is possibly ...
Nadine Dorries | 459 c835 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend. Although we are not allowed to refer to what is happening outside the Chamb...
Andy Burnham | 459 c848-9 (Link to this contribution) I have very little time and I want to do justice to the Members who spoke in the debate, if the hon....
Andy Burnham | 459 c846-8 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Westbury (Dr. Murrison) is right to say that this has been a good debate, and I ...
Andrew Murrison | 459 c845-6 (Link to this contribution) The Health Secretary is nodding. In contrast, however, NHS Employers has at least some grip on reali...
Speaker | 459 c850 (Link to this contribution) I ask the Serjeant at Arms to investigate the delay in the Aye Lobby. The House having divided: Aye...
Andy Burnham | 459 c849-50 (Link to this contribution) I was coming to that point, but first I wanted to do justice to the excellent and thoughtful speech ...
Lord Lansley | 459 c849 (Link to this contribution) Our motion calls for SHOs who are not able to obtain entry to specialist training this year to have ...
Andrew Murrison | 459 c842-5 (Link to this contribution) We have had an excellent debate this afternoon, involving a total of seven Back-Bench speakers, all ...
Justine Greening | 459 c840-2 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to be able to contribute to the debate because, like other Members, I have received man...
Evan Harris | 459 c800 (Link to this contribution) I strongly support the hon. Gentleman’s motion. Does he agree that the key point about MMC is that t...
Lord Lansley | 459 c799-800 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has captured exactly what we are trying to achieve through this debate. If hon. Membe...
Peter Bottomley | 459 c799 (Link to this contribution) I, like Ministers, care about what is happening, but perhaps Opposition Members have been more open ...
Lord Lansley | 459 c799 (Link to this contribution) I give way to my hon. Friend the Member for Worthing, West (Peter Bottomley), who has done an enormo...
Tony Baldry | 459 c802 (Link to this contribution) Further to the point made by our hon. Friend the Member for Buckingham (John Bercow), how do I expla...
Lord Lansley | 459 c802 (Link to this contribution) There is only one way for my hon. Friend to explain that to his constituents: it is chronic mismanag...
John Bercow | 459 c801 (Link to this contribution) Dr. Mary Weisters and Dr. Tracy Graves practise general surgery and neurology respectively. Between ...
Lord Lansley | 459 c801 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend, because he further reinforces my point. I have often met married ju...
Julian Lewis | 459 c801 (Link to this contribution) Surely specialisms are to be held by the people best qualified to fill the posts, but how can that b...
Lord Lansley | 459 c801 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend, who makes an important point. He reminds us of the most important r...
Lord Lansley | 459 c800 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is leading me further into what I was hoping to say. Let me just respond to that ...
Lord Lansley | 459 c802-4 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend may be aware that we are constantly searching for accurate figures as to precis...
Michael Jack | 459 c802 (Link to this contribution) Following my hon. Friend’s extensive research for this debate, can he explain why there is such a mi...
Peter Bottomley | 459 c804 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps one should ask whether the Prime Minister would appoint the Front-Bench health team on the s...
Lord Lansley | 459 c806-7 (Link to this contribution) On the latter point, it is fair to say that one of the essential things that John Tooke must do is t...
Justine Greening | 459 c807 (Link to this contribution) It is not only a matter of the time and energy that junior doctors put into getting qualified but th...
Lord Lansley | 459 c807 (Link to this contribution) It is no wonder that not only Australian medical recruiters who come to this country but the City tr...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 459 c807 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman says that we should ensure that there are career prospects for our best young peo...
Lord Lansley | 459 c804-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend. I am sure that the Secretary of State heard what he said, and I hop...
David Leslie Taylor | 459 c805 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a fair point about the lack of independence of the first review group, on w...
Lord Lansley | 459 c805-6 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that. The Secretary of State will no doubt tell us more in a...
Evan Harris | 459 c806 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. He is also right as regards the financial cost, or otherwise...
Speaker | 459 c797 (Link to this contribution) I have selected the amendment in the name of the Prime Minister.
Lord Lansley | 459 c797 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That this House acknowledges the UK’s exceptional history of medical training which h...
Lord Bellingham | 459 c799 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is putting forward an excellent case. Like many hon. Members, I have been meeting you...
Lord Lansley | 459 c799 (Link to this contribution) I understand exactly the point that my hon. Friend makes. I have had exactly the same conversations....
Patricia Hewitt | 459 c817 (Link to this contribution) I give way a second time to my right hon. Friend.
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 459 c817 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful for the chance to make a second intervention. I ask my right hon. Friend not to a...
Patricia Hewitt | 459 c817 (Link to this contribution) I did indeed say that as part of sorting out the difficulties that have arisen this year we are alre...
Evan Harris | 459 c817 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Patricia Hewitt | 459 c817-8 (Link to this contribution) No. I am not going to take further interventions, as I am very conscious of the time. We are also l...
Norman Lamb | 459 c818-9 (Link to this contribution) I want to start by speaking about the Government amendment that the Secretary of State has asked the...
Anne Milton | 459 c819 (Link to this contribution) As the taxpayer is likely to have to fund the reviews of the debacle and its repercussions, does the...
Norman Lamb | 459 c819-20 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Lady for that intervention. I disagree with the right hon. Member for Birk...
Justine Greening | 459 c820 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making some excellent points. Before I became an MP, I spent many years workin...
Norman Lamb | 459 c820 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is absolutely right. Much smaller organisations pilot new programmes before they are i...
Norman Lamb | 459 c820 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman wrote in the autumn. He did not say to which Minister he wrote, but he said that ...
Rob Marris | 459 c820 (Link to this contribution) May I clarify the position for the hon. Gentleman? I wrote last autumn expressing concern about the ...
Norman Lamb | 459 c820-1 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that. Even if no one is disciplined, people could still be h...
Norman Lamb | 459 c820 (Link to this contribution) As I understand it, the hon. Gentleman has still not had a reply. Perhaps he is going to tell us oth...
John Leech | 459 c821 (Link to this contribution) Surely the difference is that the professor has fallen on his sword, whereas the Secretary of State ...
Norman Lamb | 459 c821-4 (Link to this contribution) I take that point. When the professor says that there is a lack of leadership from the top, we need ...
Gwyneth Dunwoody | 459 c821 (Link to this contribution) We have heard a fairly solid dose of hypocrisy about this issue in some parts of the debate. No one ...
Norman Lamb | 459 c821 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that intervention, but I made the point that the principles of the system were wid...
Patricia Hewitt | 459 c814 (Link to this contribution) As I have just said, the great majority of applicants who are already in non-training staff posts, t...
John Bercow | 459 c813-4 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Lady referred to the needs of patients. When we envisage circumstances in which every...
Lord Bellingham | 459 c814 (Link to this contribution) Further to the point made so eloquently by my hon. Friend the Member for Buckingham (John Bercow), i...
Patricia Hewitt | 459 c813 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to the hon. Member for Buckingham (John Bercow).
Patricia Hewitt | 459 c813 (Link to this contribution) The number of posts must be based on the needs of patients and the service as well as the needs and ...
Patricia Hewitt | 459 c813 (Link to this contribution) I want to make a little more progress before I give way again. I fully recognise that it would be q...
Patricia Hewitt | 459 c816 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that on that point my hon. Friend is absolutely wrong. Well in excess of 9,000 of those ...
Rob Marris | 459 c816 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to my right hon. Friend for patiently explaining the issues and for being generou...
Patricia Hewitt | 459 c815-6 (Link to this contribution) I am unsure whether the hon. Gentleman is prejudiced against general practitioners, or those working...
Andrew Pelling | 459 c815 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Secretary of State for giving way. What would her advice be to the four junior ...
Patricia Hewitt | 459 c815 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is ignoring that, because of how the old system worked—with junior doctors applyi...
David Heath | 459 c815 (Link to this contribution) It is instructive that the right hon. Lady chose the small specialty of cardiothoracic work, which h...
Patricia Hewitt | 459 c814-5 (Link to this contribution) I want to make a little more progress before I give way again. I have been quite generous in taking ...
Patricia Hewitt | 459 c814 (Link to this contribution) The issue of the changeover date is nothing new. Trusts have to plan for it very year, and that is w...
Patricia Hewitt | 459 c810 (Link to this contribution) I have to tell the hon. Gentleman that in a debate titled ““Modernising Medical Careers?, it makes s...
Desmond Swayne | 459 c809 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Lady is setting up a straw man. Absolutely no one here is trying to suggest that we s...
Patricia Hewitt | 459 c810 (Link to this contribution) What I accept in response to the hon. Gentleman’s question is that it has never been possible for ev...
Evan Harris | 459 c810 (Link to this contribution) I share the right hon. Lady’s view that the problem with the old system was that too many doctors at...
Patricia Hewitt | 459 c810 (Link to this contribution) I want to make a little more progress before I give way again. The first part of the new system—the...
Nadine Dorries | 459 c810 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Patricia Hewitt | 459 c810 (Link to this contribution) If Opposition Members support all that, I shall be delighted. I shall give way to the hon. Lady.
Patricia Hewitt | 459 c808-9 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, To leave out from ““House? to the end of the Question, and to add instead thereof:"““...
Lord Lansley | 459 c807-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman but I fear that, legally, his suggestion is impossible. I ...
Michael Jack | 459 c811 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Secretary of State for her courtesy in giving way. Will she put on record for t...
Patricia Hewitt | 459 c811 (Link to this contribution) No, I want to make some more progress before I give way again. As I told the House last week, Profe...
Michael Jack | 459 c811 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Rob Marris | 459 c813 (Link to this contribution) A couple of years ago, the province of Ontario in Canada abolished grade 13, which led to a double c...
Patricia Hewitt | 459 c812 (Link to this contribution) First, in response to my right hon. Friend the Member for Birkenhead (Mr. Field) and other questions...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 459 c812 (Link to this contribution) The junior doctors who have been in contact with me are not now so concerned about the process, whic...
Patricia Hewitt | 459 c812 (Link to this contribution) Last year, the main focus of the discussions, particularly with the British Medical Association, was...
Lynne Jones | 459 c811 (Link to this contribution) A serious problem exists today, but the review group will not report for some time. I listened caref...
Patricia Hewitt | 459 c810-1 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the hon. Lady will not accept my word for it, but if she just looks at the several st...
Nadine Dorries | 459 c810 (Link to this contribution) As my hon. Friend the Member for South Cambridgeshire (Mr. Lansley) has said, there is no argument a...
Lord Mann | 459 c826-7 (Link to this contribution) There is another game going on, and that is called the knock, knocking of the NHS. The Opposition’s ...
Lord Deben | 459 c825 (Link to this contribution) Further to that point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Is it not true that the Speaker recently circula...
Fraser Kemp | 459 c837 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has rightly raised the allocation of public resources. Many innovative health aut...
Lord Lansley | 459 c798 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman must know that, in the general election the year before last, we committed oursel...
Speaker | 459 c834 (Link to this contribution) Order. I am sorry to interrupt the hon. Lady in full flow, but it is customary not to refer to anyth...
Nick Palmer | 459 c798 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that whatever the flaws or otherwise of the electronic system, the und...
Lord Mann | 459 c825-6 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that there will not be any hon. Members who wish to leave the Chamber until they have had ...
Patricia Hewitt | 459 c811 (Link to this contribution) That is precisely the point that I am coming to, but I wanted first to make the rather important poi...
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Doctors Hospitals Resident doctors General practitioners NHS Recruitment Medicine Training
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