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Debate on bill on Friday, 29 June 2007, in the House of Commons, led by Andrew Rosindell. The answering member was Baroness Merron.

Historic Counties, Towns and Villages (Traffic Signs and Mapping) Bill

Historic Counties, Towns and Villages (Traffic Signs and Mapping) Bill. Second reading debate. Division having fewer than forty Members (19 to 1) Deputy Speaker declared Question not decided. Debate stood over.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
462 c593-628 
Session
2006-07
Department
Cabinet Office
Legislative stage
Second reading
Procedure
Private members' bills proceedings
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Andrew Miller | 462 c627 (Link to this contribution) As I said, I am sympathetic to the Bill’s aims. I would be grateful, however, if the hon. Gentleman ...
Andrew Rosindell | 462 c626-7 (Link to this contribution) Okay. There is confusion across the country, and although I was aware of the confusion in Lincolnshi...
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Andrew Rosindell | 462 c627-8 (Link to this contribution) Ordnance Survey is a private company—[Interruption.] As far as I am aware, it is an independently op...
David Heath | 462 c624 (Link to this contribution) I most grateful for that definition ofthe utility of traffic signs, but what is the utility of distr...
Baroness Merron | 462 c623-4 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps it would be helpful if I confirmed to the hon. Gentleman that existing regulations already a...
Oliver Heald | 462 c623 (Link to this contribution) Clearly it is important that there should not be confusion and that local authorities should not be ...
Andrew Rosindell | 462 c626 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for his remarks. He is, of course, absolutely correct. It would be a great pi...
Oliver Heald | 462 c626 (Link to this contribution) The Minister, and voices from all parts of the House, mentioned the importance of history, and said ...
Andrew Rosindell | 462 c626 (Link to this contribution) I re-emphasise the fact that the change does not need to happen in one go. It can take place gradual...
Baroness Merron | 462 c626 (Link to this contribution) I do not doubt the hon. Gentleman’s intention. However, the Bill would do something rather different...
Andrew Rosindell | 462 c625 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Members who took part in today’s debate, which has been useful and interesting. It ...
Baroness Merron | 462 c624-5 (Link to this contribution) We are here to discuss the issue of traffic signs, which, together with mapping, is one of the prima...
Andrew Dismore | 462 c608 (Link to this contribution) I shall take your strictures on county cricket to heart, Madam Deputy Speaker, but there is a releva...
Speaker | 462 c608 (Link to this contribution) Order. Perhaps I can prevent the hon. Member for Hendon (Mr. Dismore) from leading the hon. Member f...
Robert Goodwill | 462 c608 (Link to this contribution) I was going to mention the factthat Middlesbrough was traditionally in the countyof Yorkshire. Thank...
Speaker | 462 c608 (Link to this contribution) Order. There has been some levity, but I think that the sporting analogies had better cease, and we ...
Brian Iddon | 462 c606 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman join me in congratulating Friends of Real Lancashire, of which I am a patron...
David Heath | 462 c606 (Link to this contribution) Of course I congratulate that organisation, and I congratulate the hon. Gentleman on his membership ...
Andrew Dismore | 462 c606-8 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the hon. Member for Romford (Andrew Rosindell) on his Bill. While there are practical...
Robert Goodwill | 462 c605 (Link to this contribution) On the subject of the plethora of signs in our towns and cities, is the hon. Gentleman aware that my...
David Heath | 462 c605 (Link to this contribution) The French are better at that. They have a strong sense of local identity and are good at recognisin...
Oliver Heald | 462 c605 (Link to this contribution) Has the hon. Gentleman seen some of the signage in France, which actually tells people about the pla...
David Heath | 462 c604-5 (Link to this contribution) And then the second world war—and the second world war again and again, because it comes up about fi...
Andrew Miller | 462 c602-3 (Link to this contribution) A major discussion is going on about the concepts of city regions and so on. In terms of improving t...
David Heath | 462 c603-4 (Link to this contribution) I, too, congratulate the hon. Member for Romford (Andrew Rosindell) on introducing the Bill. It is p...
Andrew Miller | 462 c601-2 (Link to this contribution) One she cannot refuse. To go back to the subject of the previous Bill, I also want to show the Minis...
Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 462 c622 (Link to this contribution) I am slightly disappointed to hear that the Government will not let the Bill go into Committee, wher...
Andrew Miller | 462 c622 (Link to this contribution) There are some extremely well-researched websites with good sources of information about historic bo...
Baroness Merron | 462 c622 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend. Sensible as ever, he reminds us of the point that I wanted to emphasise. Alt...
Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 462 c622 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Ellesmere Port and Neston (Andrew Miller) said that we should be looking forward...
Baroness Merron | 462 c622 (Link to this contribution) Historic battle sites—although not current ones—are indeed marked, particularly those in Yorkshire.
Andrew Dismore | 462 c623 (Link to this contribution) In terms of the history of the Ordnance Survey, can my hon. Friend confirm that it was set up in the...
Baroness Merron | 462 c623 (Link to this contribution) I bow to my hon. Friend’s expertise in this area and thank him for that contribution. Turning to th...
Oliver Heald | 462 c620 (Link to this contribution) That is an excellent attempt to get me into terrible trouble. I am not thinking of going down that r...
Baroness Merron | 462 c621-2 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the hon. Member for Romford (Andrew Rosindell) on introducing this Bill, which has ex...
Andrew Miller | 462 c620 (Link to this contribution) I am intrigued by the hon. Gentleman’s argument. I want to put to him an observation that I made in ...
Robert Goodwill | 462 c611-4 (Link to this contribution) It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Hendon (Mr. Dismore). I commiserate with him on...
Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 462 c614-6 (Link to this contribution) This debate is very interesting, and I congratulate my hon. Friendthe Member for Romford (Andrew Ros...
Andrew Dismore | 462 c609-11 (Link to this contribution) I may give the hon. Gentleman asmall crumb of comfort later, when we start to lookat subsequent deve...
Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 462 c619 (Link to this contribution) This might be a good moment to remind my hon. Friend that Middlesex has a Middlesex day in May, on t...
Oliver Heald | 462 c619-20 (Link to this contribution) Well, apparently, some Members of the House knew that, as I heard a comment from a sedentary positio...
Shona McIsaac | 462 c616-7 (Link to this contribution) After hearing the speech of the hon. Member for Scarborough and Whitby (Mr. Goodwill), I wanted to p...
Oliver Heald | 462 c617-9 (Link to this contribution) We have had an excellent debate today, in which we heard from the ancient counties of England. That ...
Andrew Dismore | 462 c608-9 (Link to this contribution) I am glad that my hon. Friend and I did not get into a war of the roses. Anyway, the important point...
Andrew Rosindell | 462 c595 (Link to this contribution) I sincerely thank my right hon. Friend for making that point, which I intended to mention later.
Greg Knight | 462 c595 (Link to this contribution) Given that I represent the beautiful East Riding of Yorkshire, I support everything that my hon. Fri...
Andrew Rosindell | 462 c595-6 (Link to this contribution) Let me first deal with the point that my right hon. Friend the Member for East Yorkshire (Mr. Knight...
Oliver Heald | 462 c595 (Link to this contribution) Hertfordshire traditionally included places such as Barnet and Enfield Chase, which are on the other...
Andrew Rosindell | 462 c595 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the hon. Gentleman makes a valid point. However, we can resolve the matter simply. Existing ...
John Pugh | 462 c596 (Link to this contribution) Part of the hon. Gentleman’s argument is that the names that he wishes to popularise and to make mor...
Oliver Heald | 462 c596 (Link to this contribution) I am somewhat surprised to hear my hon. Friend talk about England in those terms. I do not think tha...
Andrew Rosindell | 462 c596 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an interesting and valid point, although I suspect that it was slightly tongue ...
John Pugh | 462 c596 (Link to this contribution) Would it not add enormously to the hon. Gentleman’s argument if, in seeking define these strange bor...
Andrew Rosindell | 462 c596 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure of the point that the hon. Gentleman is making, to be honest. Would he like to clarify...
David Heath | 462 c599 (Link to this contribution) As a native of a severed county who would very much like its northern part to be brought back into a...
Andrew Rosindell | 462 c598-9 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman knows Barnet far better than I do, and I will not presume to dictate identities t...
Andrew Dismore | 462 c598 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman referred to parts of Enfield and Barnet being in Hertfordshire, but I will argue ...
Andrew Rosindell | 462 c597 (Link to this contribution) It is confusing. My hon. Friend is completely correct. It does not need to be confusing, however. Th...
Andrew Rosindell | 462 c597 (Link to this contribution) I think I understand what thehon. Gentleman is saying. He gives the example of Havering. Other examp...
John Pugh | 462 c600 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman may be awarethat my constituency, which is also technically in Merseyside, has a ...
Andrew Miller | 462 c600-1 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman should fight for a Southport post code. I am sure that there could be such a thin...
Andrew Rosindell | 462 c599 (Link to this contribution) It is vital to make that clear. My Bill does not contain such a requirement, but I would certainly s...
Andrew Miller | 462 c599-600 (Link to this contribution) I rarely agree with the hon. Gentleman, but on this occasion he is making a valid point. This matter...
Andrew Miller | 462 c594 (Link to this contribution) I can disagree with hardly a word that the hon. Gentleman has said. I know his area quite well becau...
Andrew Rosindell | 462 c594 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a valid point. I am not going to go through the history and origins of ever...
Andrew Rosindell | 462 c593 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to be given a second opportunity to talk about the Bill that I am putting before the ...
Andrew Rosindell | 462 c594 (Link to this contribution) The whole country is affected in different ways. Before the 1960s and 1970s, especially 1974, the hi...
David Heath | 462 c605-6 (Link to this contribution) I did not know about that Bill, and I am not sure where it comes in the order of Bills that are bein...
Oliver Heald | 462 c594 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend mentioned ““hearts”” and I therefore thought of Hertfordshire. When one enters Hertfo...
John Pugh | 462 c602 (Link to this contribution) The corollary of the argument is that because Liverpool was once in the historic county of Lancashir...
Oliver Heald | 462 c609 (Link to this contribution) I have not studied the issue in the detail that the hon. Gentleman has, but certainly it is my under...
Baroness Merron | 462 c622 (Link to this contribution) I was trying to point out that the Bill’s provisions do not take into account the practicalities of ...
Lord Lancaster of Kimbolton | 462 c597 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right to say that people are confused. My constituency, for example, is partly urb...
Subjects
Constituencies Administration Cultural heritage Greater London History Local government Maps Non-metropolitan counties Place names Road signs and markings
Legislation
Historic Counties Towns and Villages (Traffic Signs and Mapping) Bill 2006-07
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