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Debate on bill and Committee proceeding on Thursday, 12 July 2007, in the House of Lords.

UK Borders Bill

UK Borders Bill. Lords Committee stage third day. Clause 8 agreed to as amended. clauses 9 to 17 agreed to. Grand Committee held in the Moses Room.

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Parliamentary proceeding
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693 c227-90GC 
Session
2006-07
Department
Home Office
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
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Proceeding contributions
Earl of Listowel | 693 c247-8GC (Link to this contribution) It may help the Committee if I speak to Amendment No. 30, standing in my name and that of the noble ...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 693 c227GC (Link to this contribution) Good afternoon. I have to tell the Committee that Clause 8 has already been amended. Clause 8 [Use ...
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Lord Avebury | 693 c232GC (Link to this contribution) I do not want to prolong the debate unnecessarily, but if the Minister will forgive me for saying so...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c261GC (Link to this contribution) I ought to thank the noble Lord for that, really. I am sure it is very helpful. He has raised a numb...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c290GC (Link to this contribution) I thank all noble Lords for their attendance and patience. This may be a convenient moment for the C...
Lord Avebury | 693 c272GC (Link to this contribution) Under Article 33 of the United Nations Convention on Refugees the person would be ineligible for con...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c276-7GC (Link to this contribution) I was talking about whether case workers and case owners were trained, and certainly they do receive...
Lord Avebury | 693 c277GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt, but what Anne Owers specifically complained about was not the filling in of...
Lord Hylton | 693 c278-9GC (Link to this contribution) We have had a very comprehensive short debate on this matter. There is hardly an aspect of a very co...
Earl of Sandwich | 693 c284GC (Link to this contribution) Time is closing in on us and I, too, would like to see the Minister make one concession today. I sup...
Lord Avebury | 693 c282-3GC (Link to this contribution) The right reverend Prelate said that he hoped the amendment would receive support from the Governmen...
Lord Avebury | 693 c285GC (Link to this contribution) Our amendment is separate from the other two.
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c284-5GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness for her help, as the Committee should be. I certainly appreciate...
Lord Hylton | 693 c239GC (Link to this contribution) I take that point on board and perhaps I should withdraw what I said, although it does not deter me ...
Lord Hylton | 693 c239GC (Link to this contribution) It seems that horror stories about Yarl’s Wood never end. I have personal knowledge of the third cas...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c234GC (Link to this contribution) It will be for the Home Secretary to decide which penalty is appropriate. The considerations with wh...
Lord Hylton | 693 c249GC (Link to this contribution) First, on a question of procedure, the Grand Committee seems to have slightly reorganised the groupi...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c246GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Earl has done me a great favour by mentioning that. First thing this morning I e-mailed ev...
Earl of Sandwich | 693 c246GC (Link to this contribution) I am not clear why we have taken Amendment No. 28 out of this group, but we will probably hear from ...
Lord Avebury | 693 c243-6GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 27A: 27A: Clause 16, page 9, line 27, leave out from ““State”” to end of line ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c240-2GC (Link to this contribution) This observation is felt as well as meant: I could not be other than moved by the cases referred to ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c227-8GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 25A: 25A: Clause 8, page 5, line 41, after ““of”” insert ““biometric”” The no...
Lord Avebury | 693 c229-30GC (Link to this contribution) We will definitely return to these matters on Report. The case of Mr Muktar Ibrahim will be one that...
Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 693 c230GC (Link to this contribution) I have three questions. My noble friend Lord Avebury, drew attention to the database. When we procee...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c232GC (Link to this contribution) I will write to the noble Lord and ensure that those data are circulated to other Members of the Com...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c233GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 25H: 25H: Clause 14, page 8, line 33, at end insert— ““(3) But the first order...
Lord Avebury | 693 c234GC (Link to this contribution) Again I am sorry to prolong the proceedings but the noble Lord has not answered my precise question....
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c232GC (Link to this contribution) I am happy to do so. Much of the regulation for information sharing, data sharing and so on is gover...
Lord Avebury | 693 c259-61GC (Link to this contribution) Just in case we lose sight of the foreign national prisoners covered by this clause, too, who were r...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c259GC (Link to this contribution) I hesitate to interrupt the noble Lord, Lord Avebury, as I try not to draw out proceedings, but, for...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c258GC (Link to this contribution) I do not want to go on about this at great length. It is a long time ago now since I was involved in...
Earl of Listowel | 693 c258GC (Link to this contribution) It is helpful to have that further clarification on this very delicate issue. I ask the Minister to ...
Earl of Listowel | 693 c257-8GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may say before the noble Lord, Lord Avebury, replies that the Minister’s argument has some...
Lord Avebury | 693 c267-9GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Hylton, is to be warmly congratulated on the many times that he has raised the ...
Lord Judd | 693 c270GC (Link to this contribution) Of course the training and support for immigration officers in the task allocated to them is essenti...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 693 c264-5GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Hylton, for having tabled this amendment. I apologise for not ...
Baroness D'Souza | 693 c265-7GC (Link to this contribution) I strongly support the amendment, and apologise to the Committee for not speaking on Second Reading;...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c250-2GC (Link to this contribution) I seem to have spoken an awful lot before actually speaking to my amendments, for which I apologise—...
Lord Avebury | 693 c249GC (Link to this contribution) I must plead guilty to having originally asked for the degrouping of Amendments Nos. 27A and 30A fro...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c256-7GC (Link to this contribution) I agree with the noble Lord on that point. The simple reason for residency restrictions is the need ...
Earl of Listowel | 693 c253GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the Minister but I am having some difficulty in understanding how this will help to a...
Lord Avebury | 693 c256GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister has confirmed what I suggested, which is that the foreign criminal who is dealt with in...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c287-8GC (Link to this contribution) I appreciate that, but I am addressing the whole group and the issue has been raised by the noble Lo...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c273GC (Link to this contribution) That, of course, is if one knows what their background is. It is a difficulty. The example I have gi...
Lord Avebury | 693 c276GC (Link to this contribution) That is contrary to what the chief inspector said in the three reports that I mentioned. In the case...
Earl of Listowel | 693 c278GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister. It was most kind of him to make that point. To be clear, I meant to say case o...
Lord Hylton | 693 c281-2GC (Link to this contribution) I added my name to Amendment No. 33, already spoken to by the noble Lord, Lord Judd. That does not m...
Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 693 c283-4GC (Link to this contribution) I fear the Minister must feel very lonely in the Committee today. We all criticise. We all see the h...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c285-7GC (Link to this contribution) I understand that entirely. I want to set out the intention behind Clause 17. The clause is a techni...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c239GC (Link to this contribution) We should recall that, when dealing with amendments, it is the custom of this House for the Member r...
Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 693 c238GC (Link to this contribution) I support everything said by my noble friend Lord Avebury. Any nation is judged by the way that it t...
Earl of Sandwich | 693 c238-9GC (Link to this contribution) I speak as the patron of the Haslar Visitors Group, because I have just been told a story about the ...
Lord Avebury | 693 c234-7GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 27: 27: Before Clause 16, insert the following new Clause— ““Applicability of ...
Lord Avebury | 693 c242-3GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to all who have spoken to the amendment: my noble friend Lord Roberts, the noble Earl,...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c228-9GC (Link to this contribution) As we begin the third day in Committee on this Bill, as the Minister introduces yet more amendments ...
Lord Avebury | 693 c229GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness, Lady Anelay, has raised some extremely important matters, although I am not sure...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c229GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is absolutely right in saying that my remarks are not germane to the amendments. I am...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c232-3GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 25B to 25G: 25B: Clause 8, page 5, line 41, after ““information”” insert ““h...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c234GC (Link to this contribution) The advice I have is that the two penalties which could be imposed for an immigration offence or a c...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c231-2GC (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Anelay, on using a convenient amendment that happens to be p...
Lord Judd | 693 c259GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Earl is being very generous to my noble friend, if I may be forgiven for saying so. One ha...
Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 693 c271GC (Link to this contribution) How many of those detained because they are seeking asylum or are failed asylum seekers are diagnose...
Lord Hylton | 693 c261-4GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 31: 31: After Clause 16, insert the following new Clause— ““Exemption from det...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c249GC (Link to this contribution) I was caught out. I thought that the noble Lord, Lord Hylton, was about to speak to the amendments a...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 693 c249GC (Link to this contribution) We are dealing with Amendment No. 27A, which is grouped with Amendment No. 30A. The noble Earl spoke...
Lord Hylton | 693 c249GC (Link to this contribution) I presume from the recent exchanges that Amendment No. 30A will be taken separately later.
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c257GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may intervene before the noble Lord, Lord Avebury, replies to the debate that has been rou...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c252-3GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Committee for working in the way it has; it enables us to bracket these matters...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c253-6GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Earl is entitled to interrupt me—that is how the Committee works, and it is a perfectly re...
Lord Avebury | 693 c287GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord will recognise that we have not yet moved the amendment that seeks to delete Section ...
Bishop of Newcastle | 693 c288-90GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his comments. Naturally, I am very disappointed by what he said, although I...
Lord Haskel | 693 c290GC (Link to this contribution) The Committee stands adjourned until next Wednesday at 3.45 pm.
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c271-2GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Hylton, will know what I am going to say because I have said it several times b...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c273-5GC (Link to this contribution) I do not know whether I have congratulated the noble Baroness publicly on her elevation to the post ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c277-8GC (Link to this contribution) Clearly that is an issue which we need to look at and address. I am grateful to the noble Lord for h...
Lord Judd | 693 c280-1GC (Link to this contribution) I am sure that all of us want to pay tribute to the right reverend Prelate for the profound and movi...
Bishop of Newcastle | 693 c279-80GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 32: 32: Clause 17, page 9, line 30, leave out subsections (1) to (6) and inser...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c284GC (Link to this contribution) I rise not to speak on the amendment, because I was not present when it was being debated, but simpl...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c239-40GC (Link to this contribution) I am sure that nothing would. The noble Lord, Lord Hylton, has shown great principle and courage ove...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c234GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for that further elucidation of his point. I thought I had made it f...
Earl of Sandwich | 693 c246-7GC (Link to this contribution) That is very good news. I shall speak to the clause as a whole, which is a classic example of having...
Lord Judd | 693 c248-9GC (Link to this contribution) I warmly support the noble Earl’s amendment, which he spoke to so comprehensively and convincingly t...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 693 c243GC (Link to this contribution) I must tell the Committee that if Amendment No. 27A is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment No. 28 by ...
Lord Avebury | 693 c233GC (Link to this contribution) Clause 14 deals with the code of practice covering the penalties that may be imposed on a person who...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c259GC (Link to this contribution) I am, of course, clearly disappointed with that, but it is exactly what I understood the noble Baron...
Lord Avebury | 693 c259GC (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to hear that and I am sure that we will have to return to these questions—
Lord Avebury | 693 c259GC (Link to this contribution) I, too, find myself not quite as sympathetic towards the Minister’s answers as the noble Baroness, L...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c257GC (Link to this contribution) That helps make our case for the importance and the validity of careful, sensitive but effective mon...
Earl of Listowel | 693 c269-70GC (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister write to me on a closely related matter—the rate at which supervision of immigrati...
Earl of Sandwich | 693 c270-1GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister will not mind me regarding him as a veteran of this kind of legislation. He will rememb...
Lord Avebury | 693 c261GC (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [Amendments Nos. 28 to 30A ...
Lord Hylton | 693 c250GC (Link to this contribution) I am obliged. The noble Lord, Lord Avebury, has raised most important points, not least about what h...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c249GC (Link to this contribution) I may be able to assist. I explained in response to the noble Earl, Lord Sandwich, that I e-mailed t...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c249GC (Link to this contribution) If the noble Baroness, Lady Anelay, intends to speak to her amendments in this group, I am happy to ...
Lord Hylton | 693 c257GC (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord, Lord Avebury, replies, it may be helpful to him and to the Committee to know ...
Lord Judd | 693 c253GC (Link to this contribution) As my noble friend has been interrupted, I reinforce the point that the noble Earl has made by putti...
Lord Avebury | 693 c256GC (Link to this contribution) As a matter of interest, I tried to find some figures about UASC on the Home Office website, but the...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c256GC (Link to this contribution) I appreciate that point; good legislation should rest on good data as well. Clearly, we need timely ...
Subjects
Children Disclosure of information Data protection Codes of practice Biometrics Asylum Detainees Deportation Breastfeeding Health Families Human rights Immigration Undocumented migrants Human trafficking Migrants Immigration officers Medical examinations Personal records Mental health Mothers Training Security Refugees Victims Torture
Legislation
UK Borders Bill 2006-07
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