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Opposition day on Wednesday, 21 November 2007, in the House of Commons, led by Lord Lansley. The answering member was Alan Johnson.

Health Care-Associated Infections

Health care associated infections. First Opposition Day debate (part 2). Main question negatived on division (200 to 301). Amendment agreed to on division (286 to 196).

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
467 c1256-306 
Session
2007-08
Department
Department of Health
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Speaker | 467 c1278 (Link to this contribution) Order. Mr. Speaker has imposed a 15-minute limit on Back-Bench speeches, but in view of the limited ...
Greg Clark | 467 c1293 (Link to this contribution) There is a pattern of incompetence, but also a pattern of a lack of accountability. That does not ex...
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Anne Milton | 467 c1293-6 (Link to this contribution) Of all the reports that hon. Members may have read recently, none is more damning or more distressin...
Ann Keen | 467 c1291 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman raises such an important point that I should answer it at this stage. There is a ...
Peter Bone | 467 c1291 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the Minister's intervention. My hon. Friend the Member for Kettering reminded me ...
Greg Clark | 467 c1291-3 (Link to this contribution) I pay tribute to my hon. Friend the Member for Wellingborough (Mr. Bone). His powerful speech went t...
Oliver Heald | 467 c1293 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend's description rings a bell? It is an example of systematic incompetence, which is a f...
Shona McIsaac | 467 c1289 (Link to this contribution) I am listening carefully to what the hon. Gentleman says, and it is clearly a concern if there is a ...
Peter Bone | 467 c1289-90 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Lady for her intervention, and I listened to what she said in her powerful...
Andrew Mackinlay | 467 c1290 (Link to this contribution) I wholeheartedly agree with the hon. Gentleman. In the last Parliament, I drew that to the attention...
Peter Bone | 467 c1290-1 (Link to this contribution) I welcome, and agree with, that intervention. I have taken the matter up and have received a letter ...
Lord Robathan | 467 c1298 (Link to this contribution) rose in his place and claimed to move, That the Question be now put. Question, That the Question be...
Ann Keen | 467 c1297-8 (Link to this contribution) In a moment. Anna Walker, the Healthcare Commission chief executive, said:"““targets are not to bla...
Adrian Bailey | 467 c1296 (Link to this contribution) On ward design, does my hon. Friend accept that the technology of hospital equipment is very importa...
Ann Keen | 467 c1296-7 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for that comment. It is the duty of us all to look at every innovation and ch...
Lord Lansley | 467 c1298 (Link to this contribution) Since the Minister says that she and other Ministers were shocked, and that she is going to hold man...
Ann Keen | 467 c1298 (Link to this contribution) I saw the report on 9 October and met the Healthcare Commission that afternoon. That happens to be w...
Ann Keen | 467 c1298 (Link to this contribution) I have not got time to give way. I hope that hon. Members will be able to take some encouragement f...
Ann Keen | 467 c1296 (Link to this contribution) We have had a lively debate and covered much very necessary ground. I will endeavour to cover the nu...
Shona McIsaac | 467 c1284-5 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has missed the point that I am making. This issue is far more complicated than is...
Lee Scott | 467 c1285-6 (Link to this contribution) I shall be brief, and stick to the present rather than looking back to the time of Florence Nighting...
Shona McIsaac | 467 c1284 (Link to this contribution) Given the time pressure, I will not. In this country strains 15 and 16 are the most prevalent, and t...
Lord Lansley | 467 c1284 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady accused me of oversimplifying by trying to draw an analogy with the Netherlands, but i...
John P Smith | 467 c1286-8 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the Opposition on choosing the subject of this debate, which represents good use of a...
Peter Bone | 467 c1288-9 (Link to this contribution) It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Vale of Glamorgan (John Smith), who made a powe...
Lee Scott | 467 c1286 (Link to this contribution) Well, I can only say that the allegations were about £300,000, and £1.1 million into a pension, alth...
Shona McIsaac | 467 c1283 (Link to this contribution) I come to this debate as someone who has actually cleaned hospitals in a previous job. I have cleane...
Lindsay Hoyle | 467 c1265 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend may not be aware, but a company in my constituency called Carrington's has deve...
Alan Johnson | 467 c1266 (Link to this contribution) That may well be one of the 21 different new techniques and technologies that are being examined and...
Alan Johnson | 467 c1267 (Link to this contribution) I wish that my hon. Friend had been at the Health Service Journal awards on Monday evening, in his p...
Alan Johnson | 467 c1267-8 (Link to this contribution) The important change is that the PEAT scores were based then on one visit and the hospital was usual...
Lord Lansley | 467 c1267 (Link to this contribution) But will the right hon. Gentleman acknowledge that the PEAT scores only get us so far, as throughout...
Alan Johnson | 467 c1267 (Link to this contribution) That is an important aspect of this issue. This is not something that we believe that we should driv...
Greg Clark | 467 c1267 (Link to this contribution) Is the Secretary of State aware that the Royal College of Nursing has published 10 minimum standards...
Adam Afriyie | 467 c1267 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether the Secretary of State could enlighten us. The Conservative motion states that"““th...
Alan Johnson | 467 c1269 (Link to this contribution) We are providing the funding to strategic health authorities and it is then a matter for them to ove...
Andrew Murrison | 467 c1269 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State is struggling for a good news story in all of this, so may I offer him one? I...
Alan Johnson | 467 c1268 (Link to this contribution) There is actually no correlation between high bed occupancy rates and levels of MRSA, as the hon. La...
Lord Lancaster of Kimbolton | 467 c1268-9 (Link to this contribution) But there is a connection between high bed occupancy rates and the ability to perform a deep clean. ...
Anne Main | 467 c1268 (Link to this contribution) I want to ask about high bed occupancy rates. The West Hertfordshire primary care trust was languish...
Alan Johnson | 467 c1270 (Link to this contribution) I am told that they do just as the hon. Lady recommends in her brand-new community hospital in Tiver...
Baroness Browning | 467 c1270 (Link to this contribution) Much as we would welcome modern matrons and more of them, the badge does not define the job. It is i...
Norman Lamb | 467 c1269 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State respond to a recent piece in The Lancet which cast considerable doubt ov...
Alan Johnson | 467 c1269 (Link to this contribution) It is ironic that the hon. Gentleman should ask that question when he knows that we have put £750 mi...
Lord Lansley | 467 c1257-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend. She and other Members may recall the work being pioneered by Ellie ...
Brian Iddon | 467 c1258 (Link to this contribution) The measures that the hon. Gentleman is outlining are fairly obvious, and they are critical. However...
Madeleine Moon | 467 c1258 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that, especially when we talk about ulcers, there is more to consider ...
Lord Lansley | 467 c1258 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman may say that the measures are obvious, and they may be obvious to him, but they w...
Martin Horwood | 467 c1260 (Link to this contribution) Cheltenham's private Nuffield hospital might agree with the hon. Gentleman, because it told me that ...
Lord Lansley | 467 c1258-60 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Lady. I recall her Adjournment debate on that subject earlier this year, w...
Lord Lansley | 467 c1260 (Link to this contribution) The point that I am making is that the Government were aiming for 82 per cent.—I would not aim below...
Lindsay Hoyle | 467 c1260 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Lansley | 467 c1260 (Link to this contribution) Does the Secretary of State think that that was good? He might like to tell the hon. Member for Chel...
James Gray | 467 c1261 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that it is terribly important that hospitals own up to the size of problem...
Lord Lansley | 467 c1261-2 (Link to this contribution) That is extremely important. The code of practice, which we debated in the House a year ago, and whi...
Lord Lansley | 467 c1260-1 (Link to this contribution) No, I am not going to give way; I am moving on. Let me make it quite clear that bed occupancy rates...
Lord Lansley | 467 c1263-4 (Link to this contribution) I recall the occasion that my hon. Friend mentions, and also his Adjournment debate on the subject. ...
David Burrowes | 467 c1263 (Link to this contribution) Is not the Government's response to C. difficile complacent? When the subject was considered in Janu...
Lord Lansley | 467 c1262-3 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an important point. If the Secretary of State had taken the action clearly indi...
Greg Clark | 467 c1262 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend share my concern that the new chief executive appointed to turn the trust has a ...
Alan Johnson | 467 c1265 (Link to this contribution) Pseudomonas is a growing concern. We need to consider closely whether there needs to be mandatory re...
Norman Lamb | 467 c1265 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State has rightly described the two main hospital acquired infections, but there ha...
Alan Johnson | 467 c1264-5 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, To leave out from ““House”” to the end of the Question, and to add instead thereof:"“...
Ann Widdecombe | 467 c1279 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way rather unwillingly. He blames contracting out of ...
Norman Lamb | 467 c1275-8 (Link to this contribution) I accept that. None the less, we must take the report very seriously, and I have quoted directly fro...
Jim Devine | 467 c1279;467 c1278-9 (Link to this contribution) I prepared two speeches for this afternoon's debate. In one of them, I assumed that there had been a...
Jim Devine | 467 c1279-80 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Lady makes a good point, which I shall deal with. In 1982, 170,520 ancillary staff we...
Lord Lansley | 467 c1280 (Link to this contribution) The Government claim, rightly, that there have been 250,000 extra staff in the NHS, of whom 107,000 ...
Jim Devine | 467 c1280 (Link to this contribution) That is outrageous. The hon. Gentleman is right. Let me explain the process. Whether the contracts w...
Graham Stuart | 467 c1282 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that fundamental nurse training in attitudes to hygiene needs to be ...
Ann Widdecombe | 467 c1281-2 (Link to this contribution) May I first apologise for not having been here during most of the opening speeches? I had already to...
Jim Devine | 467 c1281 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that. The then Health Minister, the hon. Member for Orpington (M...
Andrew Mackinlay | 467 c1280 (Link to this contribution) It was in 1997. If that Government had addressed the problem then, we would be ahead of it now and m...
Andrew Mackinlay | 467 c1280 (Link to this contribution) I want to place on the record the fact that if people revisit the Official Report for that debate th...
Jim Devine | 467 c1280 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman says, ““Quite right too,”” but nothing that that Government introduced at that ti...
Ann Widdecombe | 467 c1282-3 (Link to this contribution) That must be right. We need to get right back to the sorts of situations that the Minister described...
Alan Johnson | 467 c1270-1 (Link to this contribution) We would need to see evidence of that. If the hon. Gentleman has it, he should let us see it. I woul...
Graham Stuart | 467 c1270 (Link to this contribution) I have seen documentary evidence of a trust that wrote to clinicians saying that their foundation tr...
Alan Johnson | 467 c1271 (Link to this contribution) The trust has confirmed that the proper procedures were not followed with that payment. The strategi...
Alan Johnson | 467 c1271-2 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right; it is the director of nursing, who had a principal role in this, who ha...
Alan Johnson | 467 c1272 (Link to this contribution) Ten years in which we built 100 new hospitals across the country—the biggest hospital building progr...
Lord Lansley | 467 c1272 (Link to this contribution) I cannot believe that the Secretary of State seriously claims that a report that shows deficiencies ...
Alan Johnson | 467 c1272-3 (Link to this contribution) Time and again, the hon. Gentleman and his party talk about a moratorium on reconfigurations. That w...
Norman Lamb | 467 c1273 (Link to this contribution) We would probably all agree that we should treat this subject with the utmost seriousness. The Secre...
Alan Johnson | 467 c1273 (Link to this contribution) I am talking about trauma, stroke care, cardio-vascular care and cancer care, where there is a move ...
Ann Widdecombe | 467 c1273 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State has just said that the campaign against some reconfigurations is political an...
Graham Stuart | 467 c1274 (Link to this contribution) I know that it is not the subject of the debate, but does the hon. Gentleman agree that we should co...
Norman Lamb | 467 c1273 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. I pay tribute to the hon. Gentleman's work on the matter. The fact remains that more peo...
John P Smith | 467 c1273 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman's point is important. Would he stress, however, that he means hospital-acquired t...
Alan Johnson | 467 c1275 (Link to this contribution) Bed occupancy rates and the management of beds are important, but we do not need top-down targets fo...
Graham Stuart | 467 c1275 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way. The chief executive of Hull royal infi...
Norman Lamb | 467 c1275 (Link to this contribution) The evidence is overwhelming. I am worried that, rather than moving in the right direction towards t...
Speaker | 467 c1256 (Link to this contribution) We now come to the second debate on the Opposition motions. I must inform the House that Mr. Speaker...
Lord Lansley | 467 c1256-7 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That this House supports NHS staff in their efforts to minimise healthcare associated...
Julian Lewis | 467 c1257 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend recall the case that I raised at Health questions a few days ago? A decorated RA...
Lord Lansley | 467 c1257 (Link to this contribution) I recall my hon. Friend's question, and I fear that he may be right, although I wish he were not. It...
Baroness Browning | 467 c1257 (Link to this contribution) I want to pick up the point about elderly people who contract MRSA and other infections. Some of the...
Ken Purchase | 467 c1266 (Link to this contribution) In that context, does my right hon. Friend recognise the important work that has been carried out at...
Alan Johnson | 467 c1267 (Link to this contribution) I do not need to put it in amendments; I tell NHS staff week in and week out what a fabulous job the...
Norman Lamb | 467 c1271 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State postponed or cancelled the package that had been agreed with that chief execu...
Norman Lamb | 467 c1274-5 (Link to this contribution) I am at risk of getting into trouble with Madam Deputy Speaker, but that is important. Thrombosis is...
Alan Johnson | 467 c1269 (Link to this contribution) The article in The Lancet would have been fine if that was all we were suggesting we should do. I ha...
Jim Devine | 467 c1279 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to the right hon. Lady if she is not covered by a private medical insurance scheme. ...
Greg Clark | 467 c1271 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State may not have been adequately briefed on the developments in the trust's perso...
Jim Devine | 467 c1279 (Link to this contribution) Then I should not give way. This is an important political point. It is the height of hypocrisy for ...
Subjects
Admissions Hospitals Disease control Hygiene Infectious diseases Hospital beds NHS Patients Managers MRSA Screening Cleaning services Clostridium Maidstone and Tunbridge Wells NHS Trust
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