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Debate on bill on Friday, 22 February 2008, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Avebury. The answering member was Lord Bach.

House of Lords (Amendment) Bill [HL]

House of Lords (Amendment) Bill (HL). Lords second reading debate. Agreed to on question and committed to a Committee of the Whole House.

Secondary information

Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
699 c402-28 
Session
2007-08
Legislative stage
Second reading
Procedure
Private members' bills proceedings
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Related items
House of Lords Bill (HL).
Wednesday, 7 November 2007
Bills
House of Lords
House of Lords Act 1999
Thursday, 11 November 1999
Public acts
Proceeding contributions
Lord Strathclyde | 699 c403 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very much looking forward to amending it, and amending it substantially, in Committee...
Lord Strathclyde | 699 c402 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I assure the noble Lord that what he has just said is not my view. This is a Bill to amend...
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Lord Avebury | 699 c402-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, only an amendment that amended Section 2 of that Act would be in order, but I suggest to t...
Lord Avebury | 699 c402 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that this Bill be now read a second time. It might be useful to explain fir...
Lord Trefgarne | 699 c403 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I strongly object to the noble Lord saying that an intervention of mine, which was wholly ...
Lord Avebury | 699 c403 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord is frivolously wasting the time of the House when he has every opportunity ...
Lord Geddes | 699 c403 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, what the noble Lord has just said is not strictly accurate. The 92 were not all elected by...
Lord Avebury | 699 c403 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we will see about that. After all, that is what we are here to discuss. If the noble Lord ...
Lord Trefgarne | 699 c403 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am afraid that I rise to support my noble friend Lord Strathclyde. If the noble Lord, Lo...
Lord Avebury | 699 c403 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we will see about that when the time comes.
Lord Avebury | 699 c403-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is perfectly correct. Seventy-five were elected by your Lordships, there were 15 chai...
Lord Campbell of Alloway | 699 c404 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I did not intend to speak but I happen to know, because I was told by the noble Marquess, ...
Lord Avebury | 699 c404 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord may have a very good memory, but others may think that there is some doubt ...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 699 c404 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there have been a number of interventions.
Lord Trefgarne | 699 c411 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not entirely sure that that is correct in the context we are discussing. I believe th...
Lord Trefgarne | 699 c410 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think it is certainly binding on those who gave the undertaking—the Conservative Party a...
Lord Strabolgi | 699 c410 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the undertaking was given by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Irvine, on the understanding...
Lord Trefgarne | 699 c411 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Strabolgi, is correct: it was generally expected at the time that the...
Lord Gilbert | 699 c411 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, surely it is a basic principle of our constitution that no Parliament can bind a successor...
Lord Trefgarne | 699 c409-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was just about to come to the undertaking and explain, as I see it, how it came to pass ...
Viscount Astor | 699 c410 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may ask my noble friend a question. He will remember that the undertaking was gi...
Lord Trefgarne | 699 c410 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I believe that an undertaking given on behalf of the Government of the day, whoever it may...
Lord Avebury | 699 c410 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord said that he was going to address the question I put to him a few minutes a...
Lord Avebury | 699 c409 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord is talking about undertakings given in honour being binding. Surely they ar...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 699 c414 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in thanking my noble friend for his kind remarks, I point out to him that the White Paper ...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 699 c414 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, only this week, on Monday, in a reply to Sir Patrick Cormack in the Commons, Jack Straw sa...
Lord Strathclyde | 699 c414 (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords. Very soon there will be a White Paper for a wholly elected senate. Some of us would qu...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 699 c414 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is all very well for the noble Lord, Lord Strathclyde, on his secret committee with t...
Earl of Erroll | 699 c412-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, offer my congratulations to the noble Lord, Lord Strathclyde, on his birthday. It ...
Lord Avebury | 699 c412 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is not necessarily a matter only for the House. If the Clerks believe that an amendment...
Lord Trefgarne | 699 c412 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am afraid the noble Lord is not even correct in that. I have on occasions tabled amendme...
Lord Avebury | 699 c411 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, what the noble Lord says is a novel doctrine is nothing of the kind. I beg him, as I did e...
Lord Trefgarne | 699 c411-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am greatly obliged to the noble Lord. I have been a Member of your Lordships’ House for ...
Lord Avebury | 699 c405 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord confirms the expectations that people had at the time that the process of b...
Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale | 699 c404 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, he was on the back row. Yes, he can speak.
Lord Lea of Crondall | 699 c404 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am all right in the middle of the back row.
Lord Lea of Crondall | 699 c404 (Link to this contribution) A number of noble Lords opposite have quoted a so-called deal between noble Marquess, Lord Salisbury...
Lord Avebury | 699 c404-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is a good question, which we may come to in Committee. I have spoken to the noble and...
Lord Strathclyde | 699 c405 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise to the noble Lord for interrupting him yet again, but he simply cannot go on s...
Lord Trefgarne | 699 c409 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have listened to the last words of the noble Lord, Lord Addington, with some dismay. He ...
Lord Addington | 699 c408-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, despite the potential problems of longevity, I hope that I might now be allowed to speak. ...
Lord Avebury | 699 c405 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for what he said.
Lord Avebury | 699 c408 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have not taken actuarial advice, but there are hereditary noble Lords who are a great de...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 699 c408 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I gather that the noble Lord, Lord Strathclyde, is 48 years old today. As we all hope and ...
Lord Avebury | 699 c405-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having been very generous in giving way so far, I shall accept that advice and refrain fro...
Lord Richard | 699 c408 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that the noble Lord will have taken actuarial advice on this matter. How long do...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 699 c423 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry I promoted the noble Lord, Lord Strathclyde. He says that he has no difficulty ...
Lord Strathclyde | 699 c422-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have been kind and generous in their birthday wishes, much to my e...
Lord Richard | 699 c423 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, surely the main incentive for the hereditary Peers when they were all about to be abolishe...
Lord Strathclyde | 699 c423 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, votes were certainly taken, but I was going to say that it is not my committee: it is the ...
Lord McNally | 699 c421-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, certainly the noble Marquess, Lord Salisbury, left Labour with a tar-baby. What has not be...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 699 c427 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is my noble friend aware that some of us do not believe that the doctrine of primacy is as...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 699 c425-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Avebury, on introducing the Bill. It is four weeks sin...
Lord Strathclyde | 699 c423-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there would have been no incentive to go on to stage 2. Some were unsure whether Mr Blair ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 699 c426-7 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely, my Lords. I know that the noble Viscount asked earlier whether it was really a White Pap...
Viscount Astor | 699 c426 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister spoke about a process of agreement and a manifesto, and said that we would go...
Lord Trefgarne | 699 c415 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Lea, is a distinguished member of the Labour Party, about which he is...
Earl of Erroll | 699 c415 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I took umbrage at the same thing as the noble Lord, Lord Strathclyde, when the noble Lord,...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 699 c415 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not know why the noble Lord, Lord Trefgarne, would not conclude that I am already doi...
Earl of Erroll | 699 c415 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it was exactly what you said earlier. You suggested that it was the best deal that the her...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 699 c415 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that point is not apropos of anything that I said.
Lord Lea of Crondall | 699 c415-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for that clarification. The problem with the doctrine of...
Lord Bach | 699 c415 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, again, I play the spoilsport. I have to remind noble Lords of the Companion, which says: "...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 699 c416 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry, I promoted him. I am not used to this hereditary business. In 50 years’ time, ...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 699 c419 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am trying to listen as carefully as I can to the proposition that he has just put—that t...
Lord Desai | 699 c418-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I commiserate with the noble Lord, Lord Strathclyde. It is bad enough to have to spend you...
Viscount Astor | 699 c416-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have heard some interesting contributions. The first was from the noble Lord, Lord Aveb...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 699 c416 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, they would be potential candidates. On the Gromyko principle, that would be that. We could...
Lord Strathclyde | 699 c420 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I entirely support the noble Baroness the Leader of the House in what she has said. I thou...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 699 c420 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hesitate to rule on anything. However, the Companion makes it clear that, as one listens...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 699 c419-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before we start the wind-up speeches, may I ask for a ruling on appropriate intervention? ...
Lord Desai | 699 c419 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am a generous, non-partisan sort of person. I am happy to have anybody run for a vacancy...
Lord McNally | 699 c420 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I now expect to be heard in total silence and with a degree of respect. First, I associate...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 699 c427 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Parliament will decide this matter when legislation is brought before it. I find it intere...
Lord Avebury | 699 c427-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I echo the good wishes expressed to the noble Lord, Lord Strathclyde, on the occasi...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 699 c414 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is interesting that so far—and we have been talking for 45 minutes—no one has touched o...
Lord Bach | 699 c405 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not want to be a spoilsport. I know when the House is having fun, I hope as much as a...
Subjects
By-elections House of Lords Hereditary peers House of Lords composition Public appointments Peers Reform
Legislation
House of Lords Bill (HL) 2007-08
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