Debate on bill on Monday, 25 February 2008, in the House of Lords.

Climate Change Bill [HL]

Climate Change Bill (HL). Lords report stage first day. Amendment 1 agreed to on division (159 votes to 149). Amendment 3 negatived on division (150 votes to 53). Amendment 16 negatived on division (143 votes to 123). Part 1 of 2 records.

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 699 c449-501
Session: 2007-08
Department: Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
Legislative stage: Report stage
Procedure: New clauses
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords chamber
Related items: Climate Change Bill (HL). As amended in Committee.
Monday, 4 February 2008
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House of Lords
Proceeding contributions: Lord Clinton-Davis | 699 c488 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 10: 10: Clause 3, page 2, line 33, after second ““the”” insert ““Advisory”” T...; Lord Davies of Oldham | 699 c490-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 13: 13: Clause 3, page 2, line 38, at end insert— ““( ) As soon as is reasonab...; Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 699 c491 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a question relating to government Amendment No. 14, although I think that it also r...; Lord Davies of Oldham | 699 c491-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a little while since the noble Baroness and I have exchanged points across the Chamb...; Lord Davies of Oldham | 699 c492 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 14 and 15: 14: Clause 3, page 3, line 2, at end insert— ““( ) If the order m...; Lord Davies of Oldham | 699 c488-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am of course grateful to my noble friend Lord Clinton-Davis for his attempt to assist th...; Lord Clinton-Davis | 699 c489 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, why does my noble friend not think that ACAS is equally influential?; Lord Davies of Oldham | 699 c489 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thought that my noble friend might be fertile in referring to significant bodies that al...; Lord Clinton-Davis | 699 c489-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am enormously unimpressed by the case put forward by my noble friend. He is usually very...; Lord Rooker | 699 c487 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord is quite right that I was sympathetic. Yet even where I have made no commit...; Lord Campbell-Savours | 699 c480 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, will my noble friend answer a simple question and place his reply on the record in simple ...; Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 699 c485-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when we had the debate on Schedule 1, particularly on paragraph 1, where there was a refer...; Lord Clinton-Davis | 699 c458 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I simply fail to understand why we have to incorporate the amendment in the Bill. If there...; Lord Teverson | 699 c494 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Taylor. I enjoyed his sporting analogy. I do not know wh...; Lord Turnbull | 699 c494-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is accepted that from one year to the next there can be a great deal of variability eit...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c492-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 16: 16: Clause 4, page 3, line 7, at end insert— ““( ) to set within each of t...; Lord Rooker | 699 c501 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that consideration on Report be now adjourned. In moving the Motion, I sugge...; Lord Rooker | 699 c495-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will get off on the right foot. Subject to the government amendments being approved, I a...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c499 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for the Minister’s response and for the support of the noble Lord, Lord Teve...; Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 699 c495 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wonder whether the noble Lord, Lord Taylor, in responding, could clarify two or three qu...; Lord Puttnam | 699 c495 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it has been very seldom during the passage of the Bill that I have disagreed with the nobl...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c487-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that response. I hope that it will be possible to keep this matte...; Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 699 c485 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lord Campbell-Savours will undoubtedly repeat variations of his remarks th...; Lord Turnbull | 699 c484-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may respond to the remarks of the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours. I think tha...; Earl Cathcart | 699 c486 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as things stand in the Bill, the Secretary of State can amend the 2050 target or baseline ...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c486 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 9: 9: After Clause 2, insert the following new Clause— ““Statements of compati...; Lord Rooker | 699 c483-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I can be brief because my arguments are exactly the same as on the previous amendment. If ...; Lord Campbell-Savours | 699 c484 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that this issue—this relationship—is at the heart of the Bill. I ask noble Lords t...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c482 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I can understand the Minister being somewhat confused at this stage. I have been heartened...; Earl Cathcart | 699 c482-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 5: 5: Clause 2, page 2, line 4, at end insert— ““( ) Those powers may only be ...; Lord Rooker | 699 c481 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the committee has been set up with particular terms of reference and people have accepted ...; Lord Campbell-Savours | 699 c481 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is precisely the problem in this Bill. We will come to my amendments some time next w...; Lord Rooker | 699 c480-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it would do. I am sorry; I should stick to the brief, really. ““Best possible advice”” mea...; Lord Campbell-Savours | 699 c480 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, may I then pursue my noble friend further down this route? He talks about the best possibl...; Lord Rooker | 699 c481 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not know whether I had sat down or not. I will check on my noble friend’s interventio...; Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 699 c481 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is Report, and I understood that we can speak only once.; Lord Campbell-Savours | 699 c481 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the argument is that in the event that there is a dispute, the matter should be referred t...; Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 699 c465 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the past two speeches were extremely refreshing, if I may say so. Not having been present ...; Lord Turnbull | 699 c464-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, find the clause incoherent and the logic of the amendment compelling. Instead of i...; Lord Puttnam | 699 c465 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am mostly reassured by what the noble Lord, Lord Turnbull, has said. We probably spent m...; Lord Turnbull | 699 c454 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, oppose this amendment. It seems to me technically flawed that the mention of 2 deg...; Lord Rooker | 699 c454-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is true that this is not the first time that this issue has been raised, but it is the ...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c457-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for trailing amendments yet to come and we look forward to t...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c458 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as I hope I explained earlier to the noble Lord, the duty is to contribute to a reduction ...; Earl of Caithness | 699 c461-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 2: 2: Clause 1, page 1, line 5, after ““to”” insert ““promote policies and tak...; Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 699 c463-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in the absence of the noble Lord, Lord Crickhowell, I support this amendment. I did not ta...; Lord Teverson | 699 c464 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment, which emphasises for me the fact that the Bill, much as it has br...; Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 699 c454 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I echo the remarks of the noble Lord, Lord Jay. As framed, the amendment proposes that UK ...; Lord Clinton-Davis | 699 c453 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I entirely agree with the noble Lord who has just spoken. It is important to avoid in the ...; Lord Jay of Ewelme | 699 c453 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, oppose this amendment but for rather different reasons. First, I very much agree o...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c449-51 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 1: 1: Before Clause 1, insert the following new Clause— ““Climate change (1) T...; Lord Clinton-Davis | 699 c451 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, given that it is the duty of the court that sits on the sort of application that the noble...; Lord Monson | 699 c452 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not think I was here when this matter was discussed in Committee, but surely the phra...; Lord Blackwell | 699 c452-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have not intervened before in our consideration of the Bill but I hope that the House wi...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c451 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for giving me the opportunity to clarify the issue, if he is still ...; Lord Teverson | 699 c451-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree with the comments of the noble Lord, Lord Taylor of Holbeach. There is a duty on u...; Lord Rooker | 699 c478-80 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will do my best within the rules of the House to answer any questions as they come up. A...; Lord Rooker | 699 c480 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely, my Lords. I have not sought to hide that at all. The Conservative amendment takes the Go...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c476-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 4: 4: Before Clause 2, insert the following new Clause— ““Duty to set a new ta...; Earl of Caithness | 699 c477 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend’s amendment and the government amendments go a long way towards meeting th...; Lord Teverson | 699 c477 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, setting targets is now very much up to the Committee on Climate change. On the whole, we o...; Baroness Byford | 699 c478 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support my noble friend’s amendment. Earlier in our debates, the Minister clearly identi...; Lord Rooker | 699 c472-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Redesdale, referred to a ““brave”” decision. I do not think that we s...; Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 699 c474 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Lord, Lord Redesdale, responds, perhaps I may say that after 30 years in ...; Lord Rooker | 699 c474 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not want to quibble, but the last six or seven words from the noble Lord threw me com...; Lord Redesdale | 699 c474 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister will probably guess that I am certainly not on his side on this issue. I was ...; Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 699 c472 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is an index of the importance that our world attaches to climate change that the first ...; Earl of Liverpool | 699 c472 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I had not intended to speak on Report, although I spoke at Second Reading when I supported...; Lord Jay of Ewelme | 699 c471-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hesitate to take a different view from that of the chairman of the Joint Committee, part...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c471 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I certainly appreciate the commitment of the noble Lord, Lord Redesdale, to ensuring that ...; Lord Puttnam | 699 c471 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we on the scrutiny committee discussed this at great length, and I thought that we came ou...; Earl of Caithness | 699 c469 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Rooker, stands alone in trying to defend the Government on Clause 1(1...; Lord Redesdale | 699 c469-70 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 3: 3: Clause 1, page 1, line 6, leave out ““60%”” and insert ““80%”” The nobl...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c466 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lord Caithness has usefully informed the House about this issue. It has al...; Lord Rooker | 699 c467-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, regret the absence of the noble Lord, Lord Crickhowell, but I do not think that he...; Lord Dearing | 699 c465 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I voted against the first amendment because I thought that it was inoperable. I think that...; Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 699 c466 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in a debate on a climate change Bill and in an era when a candidate for the presidency of ...
Subjects: Climate change Environment protection Standards Carbon emissions Greenhouse gas emissions
Legislation: Climate Change Bill (HL) 2007-08
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Climate Change Bill [HL]

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