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Debate on bill on Wednesday, 21 May 2008, in the House of Commons, led by Pat McFadden. The answering member was Jonathan Djanogly.

Regulatory Enforcement and Sanctions Bill [Lords]

Regulatory Enforcement and Sanctions Bill (HL). Second reading debate. Agreed to on question. Programme motion on proceedings in Committee, on Report and Third Reading and any other ptoceedings. Agreed to onquestion. Money resolution agreed to on question. Ways and Means resolution agreed to on question.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
476 c325-70 
Session
2007-08
Department
Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform
Legislative stage
Second reading
Procedure
Programme motions
Money resolutions
Ways and means resolutions
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Charles Hendry | 476 c361-2 (Link to this contribution) I was both listening carefully to my hon. Friend and watching Mr. Deputy Speaker during his interven...
Gareth Thomas | 476 c362 (Link to this contribution) As my hon. Friend the Minister made clear in his opening remarks, the Bill is motivated by the work ...
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William Cash | 476 c361 (Link to this contribution) In the discussions on the Lisbon treaty and the Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill, which became...
William Cash | 476 c363 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that it is only an oversight by the Minister, but I was in the shadow Cabinet for three ye...
Gareth Thomas | 476 c363 (Link to this contribution) All I would say to the hon. Gentleman's Front-Bench colleagues is that it is perhaps time for him to...
Baroness Burt of Solihull | 476 c362 (Link to this contribution) The Minister talks about consultation. The Bill has been through the House of Lords and has been con...
Gareth Thomas | 476 c362-3 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Lady will forgive me, I will come to her point as I make my way through my remarks. I a...
Gareth Thomas | 476 c363 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to hear the hon. Gentleman's intervention, because business has largely welcomed, for exa...
Peter Bone | 476 c363 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the Minister would not want to give the impression that I thought that anything good ...
Gareth Thomas | 476 c364 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that my hon. Friend the Minister will welcome the chance to continue to engage in debate w...
Graham Stuart | 476 c364 (Link to this contribution) For the record, I am sure that the Minister would want to be fair and to acknowledge that of the cou...
Gareth Thomas | 476 c364 (Link to this contribution) I trust that the hon. Gentleman will travel out to Harrow and hear my constituents' frustration at t...
Speaker | 476 c364 (Link to this contribution) Order. I feel that we must now bring the debate back to the Bill under discussion. That applies, of ...
Gareth Thomas | 476 c365 (Link to this contribution) I beg your pardon, Madam Deputy Speaker; I was provoked. The hon. Member for Wellingborough challen...
Speaker | 476 c365 (Link to this contribution) Order. I think that we had better get back to the rules of debate. We will leave the betting elsewhe...
Gareth Thomas | 476 c365 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Wellingborough also mentioned the success of the two businesses that he was able...
Jim McGovern | 476 c365 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend accept the figures that seem to suggest that under the previous Tory Government,...
Peter Bone | 476 c365 (Link to this contribution) I was trying to make a serious point about the impact assessment. I could not see why the local auth...
Gareth Thomas | 476 c365 (Link to this contribution) I accept the point that my hon. Friend makes, and no doubt he is seeing the benefit in employment an...
Gareth Thomas | 476 c365-6 (Link to this contribution) I will come to the hon. Gentleman's points about the impact assessment. The hon. Member for Brent, ...
Gareth Thomas | 476 c367-8 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way to the hon. Gentleman; he has not been here since the beginning of the debate. ...
Graham Stuart | 476 c366 (Link to this contribution) What impact does the Minister think the removal of the requirement to have a company secretary will ...
Gareth Thomas | 476 c366 (Link to this contribution) I shall go on to address some of the other issues concerning the amount of deregulation that has occ...
Graham Stuart | 476 c368 (Link to this contribution) The Under-Secretary makes reasonable points. Are the Government prepared to discuss the fine levying...
Jonathan Djanogly | 476 c341 (Link to this contribution) Let me go back a step and say that I do not necessarily believe that the penalties will be attached ...
Andrew Miller | 476 c341 (Link to this contribution) May I apply the same test that I applied to the Minister? I note that the Bill contains no apparent ...
Jonathan Djanogly | 476 c341 (Link to this contribution) I think that it is important, and I also concede that this measure does not exactly constitute the H...
Peter Bone | 476 c341 (Link to this contribution) It is a fact that anyone who has ever run a small business and been faced with a regulatory fine, ho...
Jonathan Djanogly | 476 c341 (Link to this contribution) I shall move on, if I may. The hon. Gentleman has had a good go. On Third Reading in the other plac...
Gareth Thomas | 476 c341 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate the anxiety expressed in the other place by the former Attorney-General about the possi...
Jonathan Djanogly | 476 c342 (Link to this contribution) I shall continue, if the Minister will allow me, because this is an important issue. We are talking ...
Jonathan Djanogly | 476 c341-2 (Link to this contribution) That is a good point with which we agree, and which was picked up by the CBI, which has said that th...
Jonathan Djanogly | 476 c342 (Link to this contribution) No, it is not. We are talking about changing the cultural values of Government, local government and...
Jonathan Djanogly | 476 c343 (Link to this contribution) I give way to the hon. Member for Ellesmere Port and Neston (Andrew Miller).
Andrew Miller | 476 c343 (Link to this contribution) The 250,000 figure that the hon. Gentleman cited does not relate to yesterday's announcement, and is...
Jonathan Djanogly | 476 c343 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Gentleman is well aware, the figure relates to his very own private Member's Bill, on wh...
Jonathan Djanogly | 476 c343 (Link to this contribution) I will now give way to the Minister.
Pat McFadden | 476 c343 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for finally giving way. Does he accept that the CBI's estimate of job los...
Speaker | 476 c345 (Link to this contribution) Order. Let me reassure the hon. Lady that other hon. Members might be ruled out of order if we start...
Baroness Teather | 476 c345 (Link to this contribution) I do despair of the Conservatives; they manage to get Europe into every possible debate. I am not go...
Mark Pritchard | 476 c344-5 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady touches on the important issue of burdens and costs of regulation on business. Does sh...
Baroness Teather | 476 c343-4 (Link to this contribution) As I was listening to the previous speeches, I could not help thinking that this is perhaps the firs...
Jonathan Djanogly | 476 c343 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is right in so far as the Government's beer-and-sandwiches deal is separate from the pr...
Peter Bone | 476 c349-51 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for The Wrekin (Mark Pritchard), who made a pow...
Mark Pritchard | 476 c349 (Link to this contribution) There are so many good MPs from Northamptonshire that I was confused. As my hon. Friend for Wellingb...
Baroness Teather | 476 c345-7 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I was making a point about the tension between the need to have legi...
Mark Pritchard | 476 c347-9 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to be called in this debate, Mr. Deputy Speaker. First, may I apologise to the House f...
Peter Bone | 476 c352 (Link to this contribution) Of course, that is entirely correct. Unfortunately, they are not allowed to. That is the point. One ...
Baroness Burt of Solihull | 476 c352 (Link to this contribution) I have followed the hon. Gentleman's most interesting speech with great care. Does he not agree that...
Graham Stuart | 476 c352-4 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow that experienced business man, my hon. Friend the Member for Wellingborou...
Graham Stuart | 476 c354-7 (Link to this contribution) Or sooner, as my hon. Friend says. I am supportive of the stated aims of this Bill. Proportionate r...
Charles Hendry | 476 c357-61 (Link to this contribution) This has been a significant but relatively brief debate on an important piece of the Government's le...
Baroness Burt of Solihull | 476 c361 (Link to this contribution) In other areas, are we not used to regulators having those various powers, which are not necessarily...
Charles Hendry | 476 c361 (Link to this contribution) They certainly can be appropriate, but we need clarity about how the system will work. At the moment...
Peter Bone | 476 c331 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to the Minister, as we are talking about an important measure. He is making ...
Pat McFadden | 476 c331 (Link to this contribution) For the third time, I am happy to give way.
Pat McFadden | 476 c331 (Link to this contribution) There could be various scales, because there is also the capacity for variable monetary penalties, w...
Graham Stuart | 476 c332-3 (Link to this contribution) Notwithstanding that quotation, there is a lot of disquiet within industry that many such fines migh...
Pat McFadden | 476 c332 (Link to this contribution) We will publish any cost estimates and other information on that in due course. I do not want to get...
Mark Pritchard | 476 c332 (Link to this contribution) On the point about quantifying these issues, in Prime Minister's Question Time, the Prime Minister i...
Pat McFadden | 476 c332 (Link to this contribution) We have conducted an impact assessment on the savings to business, which I shall come to. There coul...
Judy Mallaber | 476 c333 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend discuss with local authority organisations their ability to use the civil courts...
Pat McFadden | 476 c333 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman contradicts himself. He says that regulators will act as judge and jury despite t...
Pat McFadden | 476 c334 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right to say that there has been a number of mergers of national regulators. We be...
Anne Moffat | 476 c334 (Link to this contribution) I was thanking you anyway, Mr. Speaker.
Graham Stuart | 476 c335 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is highlighting the fact that we are experiencing a deregulatory ““Groundhog Day””, e...
Jonathan Djanogly | 476 c335 (Link to this contribution) Debates and Bills aimed at reducing the country's regulatory burden are always welcome to the Conser...
Pat McFadden | 476 c334 (Link to this contribution) I am drawing my remarks to a close, but I have been generous today, so I shall not stop now.
Speaker | 476 c334 (Link to this contribution) Order. For the record, I will not be giving the hon. Lady any advice, but perhaps the Minister will....
Anne Moffat | 476 c334 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My hon. Friend has been very generous, but this is only my second interventi...
Jonathan Djanogly | 476 c336 (Link to this contribution) If the Government's future record is going to be anything like their past record, we will indeed be ...
Pat McFadden | 476 c333-4 (Link to this contribution) I am always happy to discuss such matters with local authorities. Part 4 will create a power for Mi...
Jonathan Djanogly | 476 c340 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the Government will bear that in mind in their subsequent negotiations with business....
Gareth Thomas | 476 c340 (Link to this contribution) When the hon. Gentleman comes on to the detail of how the LBRO will work and, indeed, to deciding wh...
Jonathan Djanogly | 476 c340 (Link to this contribution) No, in that case, I am putting forward a concern of the CBI. It is a valid concern and I am saying t...
Andrew Miller | 476 c340 (Link to this contribution) So the hon. Gentleman agrees with me that the LBRO should have overarching powers.
Jonathan Djanogly | 476 c339-40 (Link to this contribution) Possibly, but the extent to which that is the case needs to be looked at further in Committee. Peopl...
Andrew Miller | 476 c339 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman cannot have it both ways. We often hear from Conservative Members that so many lo...
Jonathan Djanogly | 476 c337-9 (Link to this contribution) With respect, even if we acknowledge that it did—I am sure the hon. Gentleman is right in that respe...
Andrew Miller | 476 c337 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the hon. Gentleman was not seeking to manipulate the figures in a misleading way, but...
Judy Mallaber | 476 c336 (Link to this contribution) As party politics have been introduced into the debate in the previous intervention, and as the hon....
Jonathan Djanogly | 476 c336-7 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady has made her point, but if, as a Front Bencher, I were to comment on a Committee of th...
Gareth Thomas | 476 c368-9 (Link to this contribution) We are always happy to discuss reasoned cases that are put to us. I know that my hon. Friend the Min...
Pat McFadden | 476 c329 (Link to this contribution) That aspect is addressed by the consumer law review, which is led by my hon. Friend the Under-Secret...
David Kidney | 476 c330 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend clarify one point about the primary authority? I am familiar with the way one lo...
Pat McFadden | 476 c330 (Link to this contribution) I know that my hon. Friend cares deeply about the protection of employees; and, as the Minister resp...
Judy Mallaber | 476 c330 (Link to this contribution) In relation to the question that the hon. Member for The Wrekin (Mark Pritchard) has just asked, whe...
Pat McFadden | 476 c330-1 (Link to this contribution) It is beginning to sound like I could have done with being at yesterday's sitting of the Regulatory ...
Andrew Miller | 476 c331 (Link to this contribution) Clause 71 says that ““civil sanction””, for example,"““means a fixed monetary penalty””." However, ...
Pat McFadden | 476 c330 (Link to this contribution) There would have to be a good reason for a local authority to serve as the primary authority. There ...
Mark Pritchard | 476 c330 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister, a fellow midlands MP, for giving way. Although I endorse the sentimen...
Anne Moffat | 476 c330 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend spoke earlier about continuity, clarity and relationships, which are important. He is...
Andrew Miller | 476 c329 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making an important point about the outcomes of the Hampton review. Is there a par...
Pat McFadden | 476 c327-8 (Link to this contribution) I can assure my hon. Friend that the LBRO will want to draw on all relevant expertise in its task. ...
Joan Walley | 476 c327 (Link to this contribution) Given what my hon. Friend has just said about the membership of the new LBRO and the importance of d...
Pat McFadden | 476 c329 (Link to this contribution) It is certainly the case that the LBRO's functions include advice to central Government as well as t...
Judy Mallaber | 476 c328-9 (Link to this contribution) The day before yesterday, the Select Committee on Regulatory Reform took evidence from LACORS—Local ...
Pat McFadden | 476 c327 (Link to this contribution) If I go into more detail about the Bill's provisions and how they will operate, that may help the ho...
Peter Bone | 476 c327 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has been extremely generous in giving way. I know that many Members wish to speak in th...
Pat McFadden | 476 c327 (Link to this contribution) I shall, but then I should like to make progress.
Pat McFadden | 476 c327 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend puts it extremely well: that is precisely part of the intention behind the LBRO, and ...
Pat McFadden | 476 c327 (Link to this contribution) In the existing LBRO company, there is expertise in business, for example, and from people with a tr...
David Kidney | 476 c327 (Link to this contribution) To underline the importance of local government, does my hon. Friend agree that four out of five reg...
Andrew Miller | 476 c327 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend referred to the local better regulation office as ““an expert body””. From where does...
Pat McFadden | 476 c326-7 (Link to this contribution) As I said, the Bill does not alter the fundamental relationship between UK law and European law. We ...
William Cash | 476 c326 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for giving way again—I appreciate that we have covered the territory p...
Pat McFadden | 476 c325-6 (Link to this contribution) I commend the work of the Joint Committee on Statutory Instruments in improving regulations. I can o...
Peter Bone | 476 c325 (Link to this contribution) I serve on the Joint Committee on Statutory Instruments, which considers everything that is drafted....
Pat McFadden | 476 c325 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman asks several questions. The Bill will not change the fundamental relationship bet...
William Cash | 476 c325 (Link to this contribution) I am glad to hear that the plan is already bearing fruit. Commissioner Verheugen said that over-regu...
Pat McFadden | 476 c325 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time. Well-targeted regulation ensures essential ...
William Cash | 476 c363-4 (Link to this contribution) I am interested in what the Minister is saying. The Timeshare Act 1992 is one of the 200 enactments ...
Gareth Thomas | 476 c366-7 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I could encourage the hon. Gentleman to talk to the business community, which welcomed the m...
Speaker | 476 c366 (Link to this contribution) Order. I ought to say to the hon. Gentleman that it is not custom and practice for a Parliamentary P...
Peter Bone | 476 c351 (Link to this contribution) I am not a betting man, but if I were I would certainly bet £5 that that figure would double, at lea...
Gareth Thomas | 476 c351 (Link to this contribution) For the sake of accuracy, perhaps I should inform the hon. Gentleman that the budget for the LBRO wi...
Pat McFadden | 476 c330 (Link to this contribution) The Bill is certainly not an admission of failure. The regulatory reform agenda in the UK is widely ...
Subjects
Business Civil proceedings Local government Small businesses Regulation Unfair practices Local Better Regulation Office
Legislation
Regulatory Enforcement and Sanctions Bill (HL) 2007-08
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