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Debate on bill on Thursday, 10 July 2008, in the House of Commons, led by Pat McFadden. The answering member was Mark Prisk.

Regulatory Enforcement and Sanctions Bill [Lords]

Regulatory Enforcement and Sanctiuons Bill (HL). Report stage. Third reading debate. Agreed to on question and Bill passed with amendments.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
478 c1578-607 
Session
2007-08
Department
Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform
Legislative stage
Third reading
Report stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Peter Bone | 478 c1607 (Link to this contribution) It was just such a clear example showing that, despite all the assurances we have heard from the Min...
Peter Bone | 478 c1603-4 (Link to this contribution) That is a very useful and helpful comment, because it brings me to something I was going to say late...
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David Drew | 478 c1603 (Link to this contribution) As someone who was allowed to serve on the Committee, given my special knowledge of this area, may I...
Peter Bone | 478 c1602-3 (Link to this contribution) It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Solihull (Lorely Burt), who throughout today’s ...
Peter Bone | 478 c1605-7 (Link to this contribution) As usual, my hon. Friend is absolutely right. I do not think the Government could possibly deny that...
Philip Hollobone | 478 c1604 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. The point was made earlier that, according to the Government’s o...
Peter Bone | 478 c1604 (Link to this contribution) Aha! We are talking about the regulation of business, and one of the annoying things that happens is...
Speaker | 478 c1607 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Gentleman should take his own advice. It is very difficult for the Official Report o...
Baroness Burt of Solihull | 478 c1602 (Link to this contribution) The Minister makes an interesting point, but I gave an example earlier of an old lady whose name is ...
Mark Prisk | 478 c1600-1 (Link to this contribution) The Minister confirms that. In his letter, he says that each primary authority would set the charges...
Peter Bone | 478 c1601 (Link to this contribution) I am slightly worried about that point and the Tesco argument. If Tesco finds a primary authority th...
Baroness Burt of Solihull | 478 c1601 (Link to this contribution) I shall be brief; we have had extensive discussion this afternoon. I extend my thanks to everyone wh...
Baroness Burt of Solihull | 478 c1594 (Link to this contribution) I have listened carefully to the points that the Minister made. Regrettably, I feel just as strongly...
Pat McFadden | 478 c1594 (Link to this contribution) I wish to come to a conclusion. On that note, we hope that the hon. Member for Solihull will withdra...
Mark Prisk | 478 c1598-9 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his opening remarks, which I should like to reciprocate by thankin...
Pat McFadden | 478 c1597-8 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time. As I noted throughout our discussions on S...
Pat McFadden | 478 c1602 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to rerun our debate, but does the hon. Lady acknowledge that a criminal prosecution, e...
Baroness Burt of Solihull | 478 c1601-2 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the hon. Gentleman’s intervention and I share his concerns. The Bill contains sanc...
Pat McFadden | 478 c1593 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. The issue arose in Committee, where my hon. Friend the Member fo...
Sion Simon | 478 c1593 (Link to this contribution) I did not serve on the Committee and I have not followed these matters as closely as Opposition Fron...
Pat McFadden | 478 c1593 (Link to this contribution) I will in a moment. I want to come on to the point that the hon. Member for Solihull made about stop...
Peter Bone | 478 c1593 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Pat McFadden | 478 c1592-3 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has asked about that issue several times. As I say, the variable penalties are an...
Pat McFadden | 478 c1594 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman tempts me to go into the reasons for the by-election, but I will resist the tempt...
Peter Bone | 478 c1593-4 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has been exceptionally gracious, and has entered into the debate, but we now see the di...
Pat McFadden | 478 c1591-2 (Link to this contribution) The amendments focus on that precise point. I said in Committee that the new sanctions are an altern...
Mark Prisk | 478 c1592 (Link to this contribution) We understand that the regulator will have that choice, and rightly so. The point is that the accuse...
Pat McFadden | 478 c1592 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has made that point several times. If he will allow me to make a little progress,...
Mark Prisk | 478 c1590 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. It is perhaps worth drawing the House’s attention to schedule 5,...
Peter Bone | 478 c1590-1 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an extremely important point, and it is clear that that is exactly what will ha...
Pat McFadden | 478 c1591 (Link to this contribution) The previous group of amendments touched on the question of consistency, which is one of the Bill’s ...
Peter Bone | 478 c1591 (Link to this contribution) I rolled around with laughter when I saw that. Do the Government really think that the Bill will lea...
Baroness Burt of Solihull | 478 c1591 (Link to this contribution) No one objects to having a wider range of sanctions or wants companies to be dragged through the cou...
Peter Bone | 478 c1589 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making an extremely important point. Would he like to indicate the scale of the pr...
Mark Prisk | 478 c1589 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to my hon. Friend, who has rightly highlighted the scale of the problem and the f...
Baroness Burt of Solihull | 478 c1587-8 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a very good point. As well as the question about the relative value of a su...
Mark Prisk | 478 c1588-9 (Link to this contribution) I begin, again, by commending the hon. Member for Solihull (Lorely Burt) for tabling the amendments....
Peter Bone | 478 c1590 (Link to this contribution) It is a great pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Hertford and Stortford (Mr. Prisk), w...
Speaker | 478 c1586 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following amendments: No. 11, in clause 43, page 20, ...
Baroness Burt of Solihull | 478 c1587 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that intervention, and I certainly agree. Perhaps the Minist...
Peter Bone | 478 c1587 (Link to this contribution) Just before the hon. Lady finishes, I wish to add to the point about the reality of what will happen...
Baroness Burt of Solihull | 478 c1587 (Link to this contribution) The amendments would defend an important principle for business. Amendment No. 10 would give busines...
Baroness Burt of Solihull | 478 c1586 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to all the hon. Members who have spoken for helping to re-air the important matters ra...
Baroness Burt of Solihull | 478 c1586 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment No. 10, page 18, line 16, at end insert"‘may require the regulator to withdr...
Peter Bone | 478 c1586 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister give way, if he is about to finish?
Pat McFadden | 478 c1586 (Link to this contribution) Well, I have not finished, but okay.
Peter Bone | 478 c1586 (Link to this contribution) I just want the Minister to acknowledge that this is a centralising measure. Whichever way we look a...
Pat McFadden | 478 c1586 (Link to this contribution) It is a consistency measure. That is how I would characterise it. Costs were another substantive is...
Baroness Burt of Solihull | 478 c1585 (Link to this contribution) I am listening very carefully to the points that the Minister is making. Does he agree that the Bill...
Pat McFadden | 478 c1585 (Link to this contribution) It is certainly important that there should be an ongoing dialogue and that enforcing authorities ca...
Mark Prisk | 478 c1585 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is very generous. It is important that when we legislate, the record is made clear. I u...
Pat McFadden | 478 c1586 (Link to this contribution) Schedule 4 sets out what can happen in a situation when there is a disagreement between an enforcing...
Pat McFadden | 478 c1584-5 (Link to this contribution) If an enforcement authority believes that the advice given by the primary authority is wrong it can ...
Pat McFadden | 478 c1584 (Link to this contribution) The LBRO will be responsible for giving advice to local authorities. We hope that they will have reg...
Peter Bone | 478 c1584 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is trying to explain the incomprehensible. If a primary authority makes the wrong decis...
Pat McFadden | 478 c1583 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure how one would have a primary authority/enforcement authority relationship for a busine...
Mark Prisk | 478 c1583 (Link to this contribution) On that point, what would happen if McFadden motors—I seem to recall that that was the mythical busi...
Mark Prisk | 478 c1583 (Link to this contribution) The Minister rightly points out the need for consistency for multi-site businesses, but the consumer...
Philip Hollobone | 478 c1582 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will know that in Northamptonshire local authorities are doing their best to slim dow...
Peter Bone | 478 c1582-3 (Link to this contribution) As hon. Members will know, my hon. Friend is a serving member of Kettering borough council, and he i...
Peter Bone | 478 c1582 (Link to this contribution) I was very disappointed not to be on the Committee, having spoken extensively on Second Reading. Obv...
Speaker | 478 c1578 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following amendments: No. 2, page 13, line 28, leave...
Baroness Burt of Solihull | 478 c1578 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment No. 1, in page 13, line 26, leave out ‘direct’ and insert ‘advise in writing...
Mark Prisk | 478 c1581-2 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an important point. In Committee—my hon. Friend may not be aware of this as he ...
Peter Bone | 478 c1581 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend the Member for Hertford and Stortford (Mr. Prisk) has raised several points that the ...
Mark Prisk | 478 c1580-1 (Link to this contribution) I commend the hon. Lady on her perseverance. I think I am right in saying that she tabled similar am...
Baroness Burt of Solihull | 478 c1579-80 (Link to this contribution) I agree. Let me give an example that I cited in Committee. Coventry council prosecuted Tesco for sel...
Peter Bone | 478 c1579 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is making a series of powerful points. I shall certainly support her amendments, and I...
Baroness Burt of Solihull | 478 c1579 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has made an excellent point. Local people expect their own enforcing authorities ...
Mark Prisk | 478 c1579 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt the hon. Lady’s flow. I share many of her worries. Does she agree that there...
Baroness Burt of Solihull | 478 c1578-9 (Link to this contribution) The concerns we put forward in both groups of amendments revolve around democratic rights and what I...
Mark Prisk | 478 c1592 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is courteous, but has still not answered the point. All of what he has described is fin...
Mark Prisk | 478 c1587 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is making an excellent point. It is important to bear in mind that the term ““regulate...
Pat McFadden | 478 c1583 (Link to this contribution) It is important to remind ourselves of one of the central purposes of the Bill, which is to ensure c...
Pat McFadden | 478 c1591 (Link to this contribution) That may be the hon. Gentleman’s opinion, but the purpose of the Bill is to prevent, by means of a m...
Subjects
Complaints Costs Business Local government Powers Standards Small businesses Regulation Local Better Regulation Office
Legislation
Regulatory Enforcement and Sanctions Bill (HL) 2007-08
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