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Debate on bill on Wednesday, 8 October 2008, in the House of Commons, led by Sarah McCarthy-Fry. The answering member was Tim Loughton.

Children and Young Persons Bill [Lords]

Children and Young Persons Bill (HL). Report stage debate. New Clause 19 agreed to on question. New Clause 7 negatived on division (289 votes to 202). New Clause 24 negatived on division (289 votes to 198). New Schedule 1 added to Bill. Third reading debate. Agreed to on question. Bill passed with amendments.

Secondary information

Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
480 c303-78 
Session
2007-08
Department
Department for Children, Schools and Families
Legislative stage
Third reading
Report stage
Procedure
New clauses
New schedules
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Related items
Children Act 1989
Thursday, 16 November 1989
Public acts
Children Act 2004
Monday, 15 November 2004
Public acts
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Proceeding contributions
Siobhain McDonagh | 480 c336-7 (Link to this contribution) Unlike my right hon. Friend, I am not so much impressed by the contributions from Members on the Com...
Siobhain McDonagh | 480 c318 (Link to this contribution) I defer to everybody here—they are much more knowledgeable on this topic than me—but my concern rega...
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Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 480 c346-7 (Link to this contribution) I tried. The final amendment I shall speak to is new clause 28—I am sure Members will be relieved t...
Tim Loughton | 480 c312 (Link to this contribution) It is—[Interruption.]—a six-figure sum; that is what I am being prompted to say. Usually I have the ...
Andrew Turner | 480 c323 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman skip back to the issue of people in the family looking after children? I thi...
Kerry McCarthy | 480 c308 (Link to this contribution) I add my congratulations to those that have already been expressed to the Minister on her appointmen...
Tim Loughton | 480 c315 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has raised a good point, which she also raised—and we discussed—in Committee. It is a...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 480 c303 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Speaker | 480 c303 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: New clause 6—Looked after status— ‘(1) The...
David Kidney | 480 c376-8 (Link to this contribution) It is inevitable that on Report we focus on the areas of contention, but at least on Third Reading w...
Annette Brooke | 480 c376 (Link to this contribution) The Bill is important, and I hope that it will deliver exactly what we want. The process seems to ha...
Helen Southworth | 480 c375-6 (Link to this contribution) I would like to say once again how effective the Bill is, how effective the process has been and how...
Tim Loughton | 480 c373-5 (Link to this contribution) I am happy, on behalf of the Opposition, to add my support to the Bill, as we have done all along. I...
Edward Timpson | 480 c378 (Link to this contribution) Briefly, I join other hon. Members in welcoming the main body and thrust of the Bill, although some ...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 480 c360-2 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman says that he knows that, but I will explain why. Exactly the same challenges that...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 480 c373 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for her intervention. In the short time that I have been at the Department, s...
Helen Southworth | 480 c372 (Link to this contribution) The Bill that my hon. Friend describes is radical and revolutionary for children in care, and we all...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 480 c371-2 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time. I thank all the hon. Members who have cont...
Tim Loughton | 480 c362 (Link to this contribution) Well, we have had 13 minutes of a complete and utter cop-out, and I now have less than one minute to...
Emily Thornberry | 480 c357-8 (Link to this contribution) Having been elected for about three and a half years, I have realised how important it is to have a ...
Barry Gardiner | 480 c355-7 (Link to this contribution) No vice can be worse than the sustained and deliberate abuse of a child by an adult who has promised...
Edward Timpson | 480 c359 (Link to this contribution) The Minister will recall that in Committee the former Under-Secretary of State for Children, Schools...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 480 c358-9 (Link to this contribution) I am particularly grateful to my hon. Friends the Members for Brent, North (Barry Gardiner) and for ...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 480 c359-60 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure whether the hon. Gentleman, when he mentions the scheme, is talking about a notificati...
Edward Timpson | 480 c353 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that the provision of this charter to each local authority will help to im...
Annette Brooke | 480 c353-5 (Link to this contribution) I would like to address new clause 7, to which I have signed up. Like the hon. Member for East Worth...
Tim Loughton | 480 c353 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right, and I defer to his much greater personal and professional knowle...
Helen Southworth | 480 c328 (Link to this contribution) I welcome my hon. Friend the Member for Portsmouth, North (Sarah McCarthy-Fry) to her new post as Un...
Angela Watkinson | 480 c330 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the hon. Lady is aware that there are occasions when a young person is referred by th...
Helen Southworth | 480 c330-2 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is absolutely right. There are measures in the Bill that will reduce the number of you...
Angela Watkinson | 480 c328 (Link to this contribution) Judging by the hon. Lady's comments, I am sure that she agrees with me that putting very young peopl...
Helen Southworth | 480 c328-30 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the hon. Lady is as aware as I am of the fact that the majority of young people move ...
Joan Humble | 480 c334 (Link to this contribution) I knew that my hon. Friend was right, but other people need to know that he is right and to hear the...
Joan Ryan | 480 c334-6 (Link to this contribution) I join others in welcoming my hon. Friend the Minister to her new responsibilities. It is clear from...
Joan Humble | 480 c332-4 (Link to this contribution) I would like to add my words of congratulation to my hon. Friend the Minister. As someone who did n...
David Kidney | 480 c334 (Link to this contribution) That is why I thought it important that the Minister of State put on record in Committee the stateme...
David Kidney | 480 c324 (Link to this contribution) I agree with my hon. Friend. The educational achievements of children who are, or have been, in care...
John Bercow | 480 c324 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman will be aware, because he is well briefed on all these matters, that the Commissi...
David Kidney | 480 c325 (Link to this contribution) Again, I agree with the hon. Gentleman. There are some fabulous voluntary organisations that are act...
Annette Brooke | 480 c325-6 (Link to this contribution) May I belatedly add my congratulations to the Under-Secretary on her new position, to which we warml...
Mark Williams | 480 c326 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will be aware that clause 24 proposes the deletion of a local authority's discretion ...
Annette Brooke | 480 c326-7 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a valid point. As he says, clause 24 was a welcome step but I do not feel that ...
Helen Southworth | 480 c327 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady agree that stable accommodation is absolutely essential for any young person leav...
Annette Brooke | 480 c327 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady for that extremely helpful intervention. It is always useful when somebody tak...
Annette Brooke | 480 c327 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman. Using the word ““probing”” does not undermine the importance of the prop...
John Bercow | 480 c327 (Link to this contribution) I agree with what the hon. Lady said, but I notice that rather self-effacingly she suggested that he...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 480 c345-6 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman's point is similar to the one raised by the hon. Member for Crewe and Nantwich (M...
Tim Loughton | 480 c345 (Link to this contribution) I am listening to what the hon. Lady says, but I should like more assurances to acknowledge that the...
Angela Watkinson | 480 c352 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that prospective foster carers should also be provided with full informati...
Julie Kirkbride | 480 c351 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has given the most astonishing figures; the mind boggles about what the other 82 per ...
Tim Loughton | 480 c351-2 (Link to this contribution) I do not have them to hand, although I have the report, which I shall be happy to pass on to my hon....
Speaker | 480 c347 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: New clause 13—Registration of foster carer...
Tim Loughton | 480 c347-50 (Link to this contribution) The last group took only just over three hours; let us see whether we can do a bit better on this gr...
Tim Loughton | 480 c347 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Edward Timpson | 480 c337-8 (Link to this contribution) Having served on the Committee, I continue to welcome the thrust of the Bill. It is certainly a step...
David Kidney | 480 c338 (Link to this contribution) I do not disagree with anything that the hon. Gentleman has said, but when I went to see the Staffor...
Joan Humble | 480 c341 (Link to this contribution) For some small local authorities, such as Blackpool which is a unitary authority, it can be difficul...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 480 c341-4 (Link to this contribution) That is something we will have to consider, and that was a problem with the amendment because not al...
Helen Southworth | 480 c344 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend referred to a visit to be made to relevant children by their personal adviser. Will t...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 480 c344-5 (Link to this contribution) I mentioned earlier that we would consider suitability in relation to previous visits, and we will l...
Edward Timpson | 480 c338-9 (Link to this contribution) There are YOT teams and children's services teams that work well together, and Staffordshire is a go...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 480 c339-41 (Link to this contribution) We have heard a lot about this large and varied group of amendments. To respond to all the points wi...
Helen Southworth | 480 c341 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend made a very welcome statement about accommodation and the duty on local authorities t...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 480 c341 (Link to this contribution) Our current consultation on guidance and regulations is in part addressing that particular issue abo...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 480 c307 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for making that very valid point. My earlier point about parents and looked-a...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 480 c306 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for his invitation and his warm words. I am pleased to be able to say, in...
Joan Humble | 480 c306-7 (Link to this contribution) I join hon. Members in congratulating my hon. Friend on her exciting new role. As president of Black...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 480 c306 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for his warm and kind words. I am not quite sure where the vineyard comes...
Lembit Opik | 480 c306 (Link to this contribution) May I also welcome the hon. Lady, who has come from the Back-Bench vineyard? We know that the longer...
John Bercow | 480 c306 (Link to this contribution) May I be the first from the Conservative Benches warmly to congratulate the hon. Lady on her deserve...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 480 c305 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for his intervention. It was important that the Government responded to the c...
David Kidney | 480 c305 (Link to this contribution) May I congratulate my hon. Friend on her appointment to what is a strong ministerial team in the Dep...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 480 c304-5 (Link to this contribution) It is a great pleasure for me to open the debate. I am conscious that, as we are on Report, there ha...
Tim Loughton | 480 c313 (Link to this contribution) If my hon. Friend has the figure at his fingertips, it will save the Minister writing the letter.
Tim Loughton | 480 c311-2 (Link to this contribution) As is often the case, the hon. Gentleman is absolutely right, and I completely agree with him. We ne...
Charles Walker | 480 c312 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that I have not read the report from which my hon. Friend has quoted. How much does it co...
Anne Main | 480 c309 (Link to this contribution) May I ask that consideration be given to grandparents and that the terminology for families is looke...
Tim Loughton | 480 c308-9 (Link to this contribution) First, I add my congratulations to those already offered to the Minister on her promotion and her jo...
David Kidney | 480 c311 (Link to this contribution) In a little while, I hope to catch your eye, Mr. Deputy Speaker, to speak about new clause 26, which...
Tim Loughton | 480 c309-11 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. That is a key consideration that I am always aware of and which ...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 480 c308 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention, which comes back to the point that I have made two or ...
John Bercow | 480 c317 (Link to this contribution) It is always a pleasure to listen to my hon. Friend's mellifluous tones, but surely the overarching ...
Tim Loughton | 480 c318 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a fair point, which is somewhat separate from the point here, because, again, I...
Angela Watkinson | 480 c315-6 (Link to this contribution) I wonder how widely family group conferencing, which is mentioned in new subsection (2)(a) of new cl...
Tim Loughton | 480 c316-7 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend knows that we have raised the subject of family group conferencing before. It gained ...
Tim Loughton | 480 c313-4 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend, not for saving the Minister from having to write the letter but for the poin...
John Bercow | 480 c313 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful. I am not in the business of preventing a letter from being written, but pur...
Tim Loughton | 480 c315 (Link to this contribution) I thought that my hon. Friend was going to mention a specific case that she and I discussed yesterda...
Julie Kirkbride | 480 c315 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for allowing me to pursue the point. He is a great expert on these m...
Julie Kirkbride | 480 c314-5 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has just given the House a shocking figure relating to the number of placements with ...
David Kidney | 480 c323-4 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for East Worthing and Shoreham (Tim Loughton) said that in only 4 per cent. of cases...
Brian Jenkins | 480 c324 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that we should seek reassurance from the Government that every local autho...
David Kidney | 480 c319 (Link to this contribution) There was a time when I thought that ““Report stage”” was a misnomer for this part of our proceeding...
Tim Loughton | 480 c318-9 (Link to this contribution) That is part of the general principle behind the amendment. I am interested to hear the Under-Secret...
David Kidney | 480 c319-21 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a good point about focusing attention on reducing the need for children to be p...
Sian C James | 480 c319 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that my hon. Friend is aware that constituencies such as mine have cases where children ha...
David Kidney | 480 c321-3 (Link to this contribution) Unreservedly, my answer is yes. By asking that question, the hon. Gentleman highlights a separate po...
John Bercow | 480 c321 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman speaks with considerable wisdom and authority on these matters, and I hope he agr...
Tim Loughton | 480 c352-3 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. In Committee we discussed the appropriateness of certain placeme...
Subjects
Education Disability Children Children in care Abuse Carers Custody Housing Families Foster care Homelessness Local government Social services Registration Training Young people Children's services authorities Care leavers Kinship care
Legislation
Children and Young Persons Bill (HL) 2007-08
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