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Debate on bill on Tuesday, 10 November 2009, in the House of Commons.

Welfare Reform Bill

Welfare Reform Bill. Programme motion (No. 2) on proceedings on consideration of Lords amendments and any subsequent stages. Agreed to on question. Consideration of Lords amendments. Lords amendment 2 disagreed to on division (286 votes to 236). Commons amendments (a) and (b) in lieu agreed to on question. Lords amendments 1, and 3 to 102 agreed to, with Commons privileges waived in respect of Lords amendments 11, 12, 19 to 21, 23, 25, 30, 31, 38, 44 and 48.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
499 c166-214 
Session
2008-09
Department
Department for Work and Pensions
Legislative stage
Lords amendments
Procedure
Programme motions
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
John Mason | 499 c184 (Link to this contribution) The phrase, "the best route out of poverty is work", concerns me a little, first because it is not a...
John Mason | 499 c172 (Link to this contribution) The Minister mentioned child poverty immediately before he took that intervention. Does he accept th...
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Steve Webb | 499 c182 (Link to this contribution) I agree; nobody doubts the potential of these schemes if they are taken up by willing volunteers. In...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 499 c182 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that work is the best route out of poverty? If he does, why can he not...
Steve Webb | 499 c182 (Link to this contribution) It is interesting to note the weasel words. The Government are not proposing to "encourage": they ar...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 499 c182 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman agrees that work is the best route out of poverty, but does not like what he d...
Steve Webb | 499 c183 (Link to this contribution) As the Minister says, there is a fundamental question about the role of sanctions; on the Liberal De...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 499 c183 (Link to this contribution) We are not saying that we know what is best for the child; we are saying that the well-being of the ...
Steve Webb | 499 c183 (Link to this contribution) There is a non sequitur in the Government's argument. They seem to argue that—the Minister in the Lo...
Diane Abbott | 499 c183 (Link to this contribution) I respect the hon. Gentleman and his party's position on no sanctions of any kind. However, is not t...
Steve Webb | 499 c183-4 (Link to this contribution) That is absolutely right. There is a fiction in the Department for Work and Pensions that when sanct...
Anne McGuire | 499 c175 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman explain why the noble Lord Freud, who is no doubt watching these deliberatio...
James Clappison | 499 c175-7 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Lady has made her point, but may I draw her attention to Lords amendment 2? It says:"...
James Clappison | 499 c175 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I shall certainly give way. The right hon. Lady has experience of these matters.
John Grogan | 499 c180 (Link to this contribution) I rise briefly to support Lords amendment 2 and reluctantly to oppose those on the Treasury Bench. I...
Diane Abbott | 499 c177 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to sound cynical, but affirmative resolution procedures are invariably not worth the p...
James Clappison | 499 c177-9 (Link to this contribution) I think I was a little kinder than the hon. Lady in what I said about the value of affirmative resol...
John Grogan | 499 c180-1 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. Lord Freud also produced a report for the previous Prime Minister, Tony Blair. Following the...
Steve Webb | 499 c181-2 (Link to this contribution) Like the hon. Member for Selby (Mr. Grogan), I am a great fan of the Webbs. I find it odd that an a...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 499 c189 (Link to this contribution) We have had an interesting debate, during which I was grateful to my right hon. Friend the Member fo...
Lynne Jones | 499 c188-9 (Link to this contribution) I do not accept that sanctions are necessary. All that can be said for them is that they provide a s...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 499 c195-6 (Link to this contribution) Many of the amendments in this group are technical and consequential, and I shall therefore not ling...
Steve Webb | 499 c196 (Link to this contribution) The amendments, as I read them, relate only to 2010. Will the Minister explain why he has not given ...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 499 c196-7 (Link to this contribution) As hon. Members will be aware, next year's benefit rates will be announced at the pre-Budget report ...
Lord Harper | 499 c197 (Link to this contribution) As the Minister said, this is a miscellaneous group of amendments—and I shall speak to a few of them...
Speaker | 499 c189 (Link to this contribution) Order. I am sorry to interrupt the Minister but he needs the leave of the House to speak again on th...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 499 c189-91 (Link to this contribution) By leave of the House, Mr. Deputy Speaker, may I say that I was grateful to my right hon. Friend the...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 499 c195 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That this House agrees with Lords amendment 1.
Speaker | 499 c195 (Link to this contribution) With this, it will be convenient to consider Lords amendments 13, 14, 16 to 24, 29, 51, 52, 60, 92, ...
Steve Webb | 499 c184 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman rightly pointed out in an earlier intervention that there are as many children in...
Anne McGuire | 499 c188 (Link to this contribution) If the Government were proposing to extract parents from their home, absolve them of responsibility ...
Lynne Jones | 499 c188 (Link to this contribution) I agree that opportunities should be provided for lone parents and other benefit recipients to engag...
Diane Abbott | 499 c187 (Link to this contribution) Given that the staff working at the sharp end do not want to be involved in mandatory sanctions for ...
Lynne Jones | 499 c188 (Link to this contribution) I think the answer is in what I said at the beginning of my contribution—that there is an agenda out...
Diane Abbott | 499 c185-6 (Link to this contribution) No. Given the right support and help with child care, the majority of single mothers will go back t...
Lynne Jones | 499 c186-7 (Link to this contribution) I should like to start by quoting from the Department for Work and Pensions' five-year strategy that...
Diane Abbott | 499 c184-5 (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak in support of Lords amendment 2, but let me first nail the idea, which seems to eman...
Anne McGuire | 499 c188 (Link to this contribution) We have almost reached an agreement. We agree that it is important for young women, in particular, t...
Speaker | 499 c167 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Government amendment (a) in lieu, and cons...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 499 c167 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That this House disagrees with Lords amendment 2.
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 499 c173-4 (Link to this contribution) It is worth the House noting that the Opposition believe that it is appropriate to have financial sa...
James Clappison | 499 c173 (Link to this contribution) I think that we have been consistent about this matter. The Minister seems somewhat uncomfortable ta...
Anne McGuire | 499 c175 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
James Clappison | 499 c174-5 (Link to this contribution) May I begin by welcoming the Minister to the proceedings on this Bill? He has obviously spent some t...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 499 c173 (Link to this contribution) I challenge the hon. Member for Hertsmere (Mr. Clappison), as he rises to intervene, to say that he ...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 499 c171-2 (Link to this contribution) Naturally, I listened carefully to my hon. Friend and I hope that she also listened carefully to wha...
Diane Abbott | 499 c171 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend talks about making things uncomfortable for people who will not do the right th...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 499 c171 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right to say that I have set out a range of positive measures that we are putt...
Steve Webb | 499 c171 (Link to this contribution) The Minister started by setting out all the positive things that the Government are going to do to e...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 499 c170-1 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful that my hon. Friend the Member for Birmingham, Selly Oak (Lynne Jones) has written to ...
Speaker | 499 c170 (Link to this contribution) I think that no detail has been omitted from that intervention, and I hope that subsequent intervent...
Lynne Jones | 499 c169 (Link to this contribution) I recently wrote to my right hon. Friend about a constituent of mine who is a lone parent with five ...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 499 c169 (Link to this contribution) I will happily give way before setting out, at a little length, the new sanctions regime.
Lynne Jones | 499 c169 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 499 c168-9 (Link to this contribution) I can certainly give my right hon. Friend that reassurance. She and other colleagues from Scotland a...
Anne McGuire | 499 c168 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend clarify the situation in Scotland, where the Government do not have the ad...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 499 c167-8 (Link to this contribution) I thank my predecessor, my right hon. Friend the Member for Harrow, East (Mr. McNulty), from whom I ...
Helen Goodman | 499 c214 (Link to this contribution) With the leave of the House, I am grateful for the agreement of the hon. Members for Forest of Dean ...
Speaker | 499 c167 (Link to this contribution) I draw the attention of the House to the fact that financial privilege is involved in Lords amendmen...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 499 c172-3 (Link to this contribution) In many ways, that misses the point. We are talking about work-related activity, not work. There is ...
Steve Webb | 499 c197 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the hon. Gentleman's call for clarity. For the avoidance of doubt, could he confirm whethe...
Lord Harper | 499 c197-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that intervention. I will be able to state our position at t...
Steve Webb | 499 c198 (Link to this contribution) That obviously invites the same question that the hon. Gentleman has just put to the Minister. Would...
Lord Harper | 499 c203 (Link to this contribution) I was distinguishing between the pension increase, which, as the Government have lately set out, wil...
Steve Webb | 499 c202-3 (Link to this contribution) I have two concerns about that. Perhaps I asked my first question too quickly and the Minister did n...
Steve Webb | 499 c203 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that clarification. The other issue in this group of amendments is the failed pil...
Joan Ryan | 499 c201 (Link to this contribution) I want to speak about Lords amendments 29 and 51. I join my right hon. Friend the Minister in paying...
Lord Harper | 499 c198-201 (Link to this contribution) I will not outline our excellent policies in great detail, because that would be straying away from ...
Lord Harper | 499 c202 (Link to this contribution) I do not want there to be any lack of clarity. I understand why the Government needed an amendment. ...
Steve Webb | 499 c201-2 (Link to this contribution) Like the right hon. Member for Enfield, North (Joan Ryan), I welcome that small step towards trying ...
Lord Harper | 499 c204 (Link to this contribution) For the avoidance of doubt, will the Minister confirm that what his predecessor, the right hon. Memb...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 499 c204-5 (Link to this contribution) It is difficult for me to speak with absolute confidence in respect of what my right hon. Friend sai...
Bob Spink | 499 c203 (Link to this contribution) I rise to support this group of amendments generally and the renaming of council tax benefit to coun...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 499 c204 (Link to this contribution) With the leave of the House, I shall quickly respond to the debate. The hon. Member for Castle Poin...
Lord Harper | 499 c207-8 (Link to this contribution) The Minister will know from reading the report of the debate in Committee that we were very supporti...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 499 c207 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Gentleman will know from the way in which I have described the amendments, we have princ...
Steve Webb | 499 c207 (Link to this contribution) The Minister referred to places on treatment programmes, and we are talking not only about drugs in ...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 499 c205-6 (Link to this contribution) We estimate that around 350,000 heroin and crack cocaine users are on some form of benefit in this c...
Speaker | 499 c205 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Lords amendments 61 to 77, 79 and 80.
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 499 c205 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That this House agrees with Lords amendment 28.
Lord Harper | 499 c213-4 (Link to this contribution) I will be brief, Madam Deputy Speaker. I want to discuss Lords amendment 50 in relation to the trave...
Steve Webb | 499 c214 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is right to say that this represents a concession on the part of the Opposition parties...
Helen Goodman | 499 c212-3 (Link to this contribution) Lords amendment 50 will help to ensure that Parliament can properly review the effectiveness of the ...
Speaker | 499 c213 (Link to this contribution) Order. The Minister has also made reference to other amendments in the group. The Lords amendment un...
Speaker | 499 c212 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss Lords amendments 81 to 89.
Lord Harper | 499 c211 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I must call them trailblazers. That is an important use of language, because it suggests to tho...
Jonathan Shaw | 499 c212 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for his comments. He is absolutely right that we are talking about trailb...
Helen Goodman | 499 c212 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That this House agrees with Lords amendment 50.
Jonathan Shaw | 499 c209 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That this House agrees with Lords amendment 30.
Speaker | 499 c209 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to take Lords amendments 31 to 49.
Jonathan Shaw | 499 c209-10 (Link to this contribution) It will be useful if I address amendments 34 to 37 first. These amendments restructure clause 33 and...
Lord Harper | 499 c210-1 (Link to this contribution) The Minister will not be surprised to know that the amendments in the group have the support of the ...
Steve Webb | 499 c208 (Link to this contribution) I regard this group of amendments as making the best of a bad job. The provisions relating to drug a...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 499 c208-9 (Link to this contribution) With the leave of the House, I shall respond as briefly as possible to the points made. I welcome t...
David Drew | 499 c182 (Link to this contribution) Like me, my parliamentary neighbour has had the opportunity to talk to new deal organisers, and it i...
Subjects
Poverty Council tax benefits Disability Disability living allowance Childcare Alcoholic drinks Community care Jobseeker's allowance Income support Domestic abuse Drugs Interviews Rehabilitation Employment schemes Medical treatments Pensioners Misuse Lone parents Reform Social security benefits Social security Registration of births, deaths, marriages and civil partnerships Travel requirements Sanctions Uprating Birth certificates
Legislation
Welfare Reform Bill 2008-09
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