Adjournment debate on Tuesday, 15 December 2009, in the House of Commons, led by Mark Fisher. The answering member was Baroness Keeley.
House of Commons Reform
Westminster hall adjournment debate on House of Commons reform.
Secondary information
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- Parliamentary proceeding
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- 502 c198-223WH
- Session
- 2009-10
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- Leader of the House of Commons
- Chamber / Committee
- Westminster Hall
- Proceeding contributions
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Mark Fisher | 502 c199WH (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman is making a case for the separation of powers between the Executive and the le...
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Andrew Murrison | 502 c199WH (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that what is important is the quality of the work done by hon. Members...
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Mark Fisher | 502 c200WH (Link to this contribution) We are probably going rather wide of the subject. However, I have great sympathy with my hon. Friend...
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Natascha Engel | 502 c200WH (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to labour the point, but are we not here also to represent political parties? Apart from ...
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Mark Fisher | 502 c199WH (Link to this contribution) I agree with all of that. I see no reason why the House needs more than 400 Members. We would probab...
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David Leslie Taylor | 502 c200WH (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend on securing this debate. Many newspapers, having seen the disillusion,...
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Mark Fisher | 502 c201WH (Link to this contribution) Yes, but those roles are not alternatives. It is the fascination, complexity and difficulty of our j...
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Andrew Murrison | 502 c201-2WH (Link to this contribution) Time is very precious, and the hon. Gentleman is right to say that the Government must be given time...
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Mark Fisher | 502 c200WH (Link to this contribution) That is self-evident. Those of us who think that we personally are being elected will find when we s...
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Mark Field | 502 c201WH (Link to this contribution) Although I recognise such symptoms and believe them to be undesirable, does not part of the problem ...
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Mark Fisher | 502 c202WH (Link to this contribution) One of the really impressive things about this report, which reflects well on the Chairman and the a...
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Natascha Engel | 502 c202WH (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend explain to me what he thinks the difference is between a proposal for a Back-Ben...
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Mark Fisher | 502 c202WH (Link to this contribution) I hope that I have made it clear. The time that is properly the Government's is the time that they n...
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Evan Harris | 502 c202-3WH (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that sometimes these things are complex? I say that because Government...
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Mark Fisher | 502 c203WH (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree with the hon. Gentleman; that point goes to the heart of this report. However, I do...
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Natascha Engel | 502 c203WH (Link to this contribution) This point is not just a small sticking-point for me; it is a really big point for me. Who controls ...
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Mark Fisher | 502 c203-4WH (Link to this contribution) I must say that I do not entirely agree with my hon. Friend. It is our job to scrutinise Government ...
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Andrew Murrison | 502 c204WH (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman add to his list of fine Chairpeople of Select Committees Dr. Ian Gibson, the...
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Mark Fisher | 502 c204WH (Link to this contribution) Well, I think that the hon. Gentleman makes his point.
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Speaker | 502 c204WH (Link to this contribution) Order. If I can interrupt the hon. Gentleman just for a minute, I want to say that he has been very ...
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Elfyn Llwyd | 502 c198WH (Link to this contribution) I was a member of the Committee, and I too pay tribute to the Chairman and the other members of the ...
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Mark Fisher | 502 c198WH (Link to this contribution) I shall come to that later, but of course the hon. Gentleman is right. Nevertheless, pending what ha...
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Bob Spink | 502 c198WH (Link to this contribution) I accept all that the hon. Gentleman says. He brings an important matter before the House today. Doe...
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Mark Fisher | 502 c198-9WH (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a valid point, but the report correctly focuses on the political reforms ne...
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Mark Fisher | 502 c198WH (Link to this contribution) This debate will focus on the excellent report produce d by my hon. Friend the Member for Cannock Ch...
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Andrew Turner | 502 c199WH (Link to this contribution) He has a job in this House; he also has a job as Minister. That makes two jobs. Why can some of us n...
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Natascha Engel | 502 c199WH (Link to this contribution) What does the hon. Gentleman mean by "political"? Does he mean party political, or does he mean some...
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Mark Fisher | 502 c199WH (Link to this contribution) Absolutely not party political. No, I mean the political work that we do here in holding the Governm...
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Andrew Turner | 502 c199WH (Link to this contribution) I do not have another job, but it seems to be thought perfectly practical for someone on the Governm...
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Mark Fisher | 502 c199WH (Link to this contribution) I did not catch the end of the hon. Gentleman's question.
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Speaker | 502 c205WH (Link to this contribution) Order. Before I call the hon. Member for Cities of London and Westminster (Mr. Field) to speak, I wa...
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Mark Field | 502 c205-7WH (Link to this contribution) I welcome the fact that we are having this debate today and I thank the hon. Member for Stoke-on-Tre...
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Natascha Engel | 502 c207-8WH (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr. Atkinson. I congratulate my hon. Friend the M...
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David Drew | 502 c208WH (Link to this contribution) I partly agree with my hon. Friend. However, it is not fair that certain Members, who have been demo...
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Mark Fisher | 502 c204-5WH (Link to this contribution) I absolutely take your point, Mr. Chairman, and it is very kind of you to attribute the fact that I ...
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Martin Salter | 502 c211-3WH (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Banbury (Tony Baldry). I can give him some comfort. I...
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Tony Baldry | 502 c209-10WH (Link to this contribution) The confidence that the hon. Member for North-East Derbyshire (Natascha Engel) has in the Whips and ...
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Natascha Engel | 502 c209WH (Link to this contribution) I do not know the details of individuals who have been blocked. I was elected in 2005, which was qui...
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Tony Baldry | 502 c210-1WH (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman, who has been persistent on this issue—quite sensibly, he has tabled items on the...
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Graham Allen | 502 c210WH (Link to this contribution) If we had an independent Parliament, it could have reconvened in that long summer. As it happened, s...
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David Heath | 502 c214-6WH (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the hon. Member for Stoke-on-Trent, Central (Mark Fisher) on securing the debate and ...
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David Leslie Taylor | 502 c216WH (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has mentioned public participation. Is he at all attracted by Simon Cowell's idea...
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Speaker | 502 c213WH (Link to this contribution) Order. I hope to call Front Benchers to give the winding-up speeches around 12 noon. With that in mi...
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Michael Meacher | 502 c213-4WH (Link to this contribution) In the brief time available, I want strongly to support the recommendations from the Reform of the H...
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David Leslie Taylor | 502 c213WH (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend give way?
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Martin Salter | 502 c213WH (Link to this contribution) No, I will not. The public could then genuinely engage and drive some of the discussions that we hav...
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Shailesh Vara | 502 c217WH (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the hon. Member for Stoke-on-Trent, Central (Mark Fisher) on securing this debate and...
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David Heath | 502 c216-7WH (Link to this contribution) My personal view is that it would be a Committee for all business of the House. I believe that we sc...
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Natascha Engel | 502 c216WH (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman said he supports the proposal for a business Committee. Is that a business Commit...
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David Heath | 502 c216WH (Link to this contribution) I think that there might be more sophisticated ways of achieving the same result, and I am not despe...
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Martin Salter | 502 c217WH (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
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Shailesh Vara | 502 c217-20WH (Link to this contribution) I am afraid I will not. As I have very limited time, I must press on. The Defence Secretary briefed...
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Baroness Keeley | 502 c220-1WH (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr. Hood, and that of Mr. Atkinson earlier in the...
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Martin Salter | 502 c221WH (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend not realise that there is a distinct danger of those hon. Members who served on ...
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Baroness Keeley | 502 c221WH (Link to this contribution) I will come to that. [Hon. Members: "When?"] I will touch on further changes—[Interruption.]
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Speaker | 502 c221WH (Link to this contribution) Order. I ask hon. Members to calm down and let the Minister finish her speech.
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Baroness Keeley | 502 c221-2WH (Link to this contribution) There have been some important changes and reforms. It is important, as we look forward, not to lose...
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Baroness Keeley | 502 c223WH (Link to this contribution) I have to say that I disagree. I do not think that is why we have had the debate today. We have had ...
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Graham Allen | 502 c222-3WH (Link to this contribution) In the less than one minute remaining, could my hon. Friend be crystal clear with hon. Members from ...
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