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Debate on Wednesday, 3 February 2010, in the House of Commons, led by Lord Hanson of Flint. The answering member was David Ruffley.

Police Grant Report

Debate on a motion to approve the Police Grant Report (England and Wales) for 2010-2011 (HC 278). Agreed on question.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
505 c321-66 
Session
2009-10
Department
Home Office
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Brian Binley | 505 c362-3 (Link to this contribution) Well, he is here now, so he can make the promise now. I would expect a similar promise to be made fr...
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Lord Hanson of Flint | 505 c363-4 (Link to this contribution) With the leave of the House, I would like to respond to the debate. It has been very interesting, an...
Brian Binley | 505 c364 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the Minister's remarks very much, and I believe people in Northamptonshire will too. Will ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 505 c364-6 (Link to this contribution) There will be a public consultation, and I hope that it will take place in the summer of 2010. It wi...
Speaker | 505 c360 (Link to this contribution) Order. I must rule the hon. Lady out of order because we are talking not about sentencing policy, bu...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 505 c360 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for your guidance, Madam Deputy Speaker, but I concur heartily with my hon. Friend. M...
Brian Binley | 505 c360-2 (Link to this contribution) I wish I could tell the Minister that my remarks will be sizeably different in any way from many of ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 505 c340 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way. He will know that the settlement before the Hous...
Paul Robert Holmes | 505 c340-1 (Link to this contribution) The Liberal Democrats have clearly said that we would divert money by abandoning particular Governme...
Tony McNulty | 505 c336-7 (Link to this contribution) I accept that, and the hon. Gentleman is, in a different way, putting the point about floors and cei...
Brian Binley | 505 c336 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the right hon. Gentleman on making such sensible arguments about formula funding, but...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 505 c335 (Link to this contribution) I was just beginning to warm to the right hon. Gentleman in his role as bipartisan statesman speakin...
Tony McNulty | 505 c338-9 (Link to this contribution) Because Boris Johnson is not; because crucially, Ken clearly said to the electorate during his four ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 505 c338 (Link to this contribution) I am interested in how these "facts" are coming about, given that we are providing an extra £49.4 mi...
Tony McNulty | 505 c337-8 (Link to this contribution) We could look and shed as much light as we want, but we would find that the answer is nothing, even ...
Karen Buck | 505 c337 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend also recall the pledges made about the young Londoners fund, the youth cha...
Paul Robert Holmes | 505 c344-5 (Link to this contribution) Sorry. The right hon. Member for Harrow, East said that it was a very good point and that we should ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 505 c346 (Link to this contribution) The rise might be 29 in that period, but Derbyshire has got 285 more officers in the 12 years since ...
Paul Robert Holmes | 505 c346 (Link to this contribution) That rise is still one of the lowest, per head of population, in the entire country. Finally, the D...
Keith Vaz | 505 c346-7 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to support a fellow east midlands Member of Parliament in asking for more. One of the fea...
Paul Robert Holmes | 505 c342-3 (Link to this contribution) We would have to ask our gurus, such as my hon. Friend the Member for Twickenham (Dr. Cable), about ...
Tony McNulty | 505 c341-2 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way. I am not clear about this point. Have the Liberal Democra...
Paul Robert Holmes | 505 c343-4 (Link to this contribution) Yes, the authorities have made great steps forward in that regard. Some criticisms have been levelle...
Tony McNulty | 505 c343 (Link to this contribution) I take those points in part, but does the hon. Gentleman recognise that the five east midlands polic...
Paul Robert Holmes | 505 c344 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. In Derbyshire alone, the loss is equivalent to 160 police officers. If we add the losses...
Brian Binley | 505 c344 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman take into account that it is estimated that in the east midlands we have los...
Gary Streeter | 505 c354-6 (Link to this contribution) Indeed, and that is much the same as the Prime Minister. I do not know what other Members think, but...
Brian Binley | 505 c356 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that, once the process has been completed, the Travellers go on a little c...
Gary Streeter | 505 c353-4 (Link to this contribution) It is a great pleasure and privilege to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Woking (Mr. Malins). Th...
Humfrey Malins | 505 c352-3 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful. The Minister is a very good man for whom I have had the greatest respect over th...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 505 c352 (Link to this contribution) I can help the hon. Gentleman: the answer at the end is usually "not enough".
Humfrey Malins | 505 c351-2 (Link to this contribution) That drags us into the issue of the formula, which is mind-bogglingly complicated. I shall address t...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 505 c351 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for those figures from the hon. Gentleman, but they do not equate with my understandin...
Humfrey Malins | 505 c350-1 (Link to this contribution) I hope to say a few words about the county of Surrey, and I very much hope that the Policing Ministe...
Keith Vaz | 505 c348-50 (Link to this contribution) Yes, we did. Although we did not specify music festivals in particular, that is one of the last reco...
Paul Truswell | 505 c347 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is talking about other ways for police forces and authorities to raise revenue....
Justine Greening | 505 c359-60 (Link to this contribution) To bring my hon. Friend back to the financing debate that we are having today, does he agree that th...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 505 c357-8 (Link to this contribution) In the middle of the 19th century, Lord Palmerston said:""Only three people have ever really underst...
Gary Streeter | 505 c356 (Link to this contribution) I agree strongly with my hon. Friend, and the House needs to look at this issue again. We need to mo...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 505 c358-9 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes an astute point. The research consultancy Ibex Insight undertook a study ca...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 505 c322 (Link to this contribution) Those figures are facts. They relate to the funding given by the Labour Government to Cambridgeshire...
Simon Hughes | 505 c322 (Link to this contribution) Funding statistics and formulae are important, although most people are more worried about outcomes ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 505 c322-3 (Link to this contribution) The crime figures which I commented on—not announced—10 days ago were announced by the Office for Na...
Paul Truswell | 505 c321 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend will be aware that the Government improved the funding formula for West Yorkshi...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 505 c322 (Link to this contribution) I will return to the funding formula later because it is an important issue, and a number of represe...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 505 c322 (Link to this contribution) Why has the Home Office consistently failed, until recently—with the migration impact forum—properly...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 505 c322 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Gentleman will know, that is one of the issues on which we have received representations...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 505 c328 (Link to this contribution) I will try again. If the hon. Gentleman has the opportunity to increase the 2010-11 settlement over ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 505 c328 (Link to this contribution) Could we get down to specifics? The grant is before the House today. It increases funding by a minim...
David Ruffley | 505 c328 (Link to this contribution) The shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer has made it quite clear that we will make a decision when we ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 505 c323-6 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his support. He recognises, as I do, that there has been a 3...
David Ruffley | 505 c326-7 (Link to this contribution) The one thing that we can agree on in this debate is that the police of this country do a difficult ...
Bob Spink | 505 c323 (Link to this contribution) The Minister will know that police numbers in Essex have increased, and he will probably have guesse...
Karen Buck | 505 c327 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
David Ruffley | 505 c327 (Link to this contribution) I will in a minute. At this stage of the Parliament, words are quite cheap. Promises are quite chea...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 505 c327 (Link to this contribution) Are we seeing a pattern here in terms of grand promises prior to a general election that are not del...
David Ruffley | 505 c327 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is exactly right.
David Ruffley | 505 c329 (Link to this contribution) May I take it that the Minister does not endorse that report, that he refutes it and that it will no...
David Ruffley | 505 c329 (Link to this contribution) I will come on to the point about floors later, so perhaps the hon. Lady will intervene again and I ...
Karen Buck | 505 c329 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman did not mention in his list the largest police authority—that of London. What adv...
David Ruffley | 505 c329 (Link to this contribution) Let us first make it clear and put on the record what the Minister is saying about defending police ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 505 c329 (Link to this contribution) I can tell the hon. Gentleman that that document has no locus for the Government and it has not been...
David Ruffley | 505 c328 (Link to this contribution) I think that the shadow Chancellor has made the position entirely clear, and we will present a Budge...
Karen Buck | 505 c328 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
David Ruffley | 505 c328-9 (Link to this contribution) In a minute. I want to test further what the Government are saying will happen in 2010-11 on the ba...
Judy Mallaber | 505 c329 (Link to this contribution) Derbyshire police have far more police officers and PCSOs than when I was elected in 1997, but we ha...
David Ruffley | 505 c330 (Link to this contribution) He may not have the chance for it to become part of his policy in a few weeks' time, so that might b...
Tony McNulty | 505 c334 (Link to this contribution) Of course the hon. Gentleman may say what he said about what I was like as a Minister. I am talking...
Tony McNulty | 505 c333 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that I did not make myself clear to my hon. Friend. As I may have said more gently when I...
Humfrey Malins | 505 c334 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman—who, if I may say so, was a very good Minister—for mention...
Tony McNulty | 505 c332-3 (Link to this contribution) It is important for us to take the police, and police finance, extremely seriously. I do not think t...
Mark Todd | 505 c333 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is making an adult speech on a difficult subject. Will he bring within his comp...
Judy Mallaber | 505 c332 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman invited me earlier to ask my question again when he reached this point in his spe...
David Ruffley | 505 c332 (Link to this contribution) I think the hon. Lady is putting her question to the wrong person. I put the same question to the Mi...
Keith Vaz | 505 c330 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for missing the beginning of the hon. Gentleman's speech and, of course, the Minister's....
David Ruffley | 505 c330-2 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman. We had a discussion about one bit of good practice—the fo...
Tony McNulty | 505 c334-5 (Link to this contribution) That is absolutely and entirely right, and it is to the Conservatives' shame that they have played a...
Judy Mallaber | 505 c334 (Link to this contribution) Is my right hon. Friend aware that our chief constable in Derbyshire has in the past had to disavow ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 505 c321 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That the Police Grant Report (England and Wales) for 2010-11 (HC 278), which was laid...
Paul Robert Holmes | 505 c358 (Link to this contribution) On the hon. Gentleman's point about whether migrant labourers are more likely to be involved in crim...
Tony McNulty | 505 c335 (Link to this contribution) On the first part of that intervention, the hon. Gentleman misses the point entirely. I am not tryin...
Paul Robert Holmes | 505 c339-40 (Link to this contribution) As we have heard, this is the third year of a three-year settlement and, as such, it holds no surpri...
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Finance Police Police authorities Police community support officers
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