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Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bill on Monday, 21 June 2010, in the House of Lords.

Academies Bill [HL]

Academies Bill (HL). Lords committee stage first day. Clause 1 under consideration. Clause 1 [Academy arrangements]

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
719 c1170-84, 1204-37, 1251-72 
Session
2010-12
Department
Department for Education
Legislative stage
Committee stage
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House of Lords chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 719 c1215 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that none of us wishes to extend the debate any longer, but I feel strongly that...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 719 c1214-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I follow directly on what the noble Earl, Lord Listowel, has said, as well as what was sai...
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Baroness Perry of Southwark | 719 c1215 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for that because, certainly, many of the parents came from different...
Lord Northbourne | 719 c1215 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Baroness accept that I am prepared to withdraw the phrase ““middle class””?
Bishop of Lincoln | 719 c1212-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on this group of amendments, the issue about whether these free schools will be academies ...
Earl of Listowel | 719 c1213-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I also support my noble friend Lord Northbourne’s amendment. I emphasise that there is muc...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 719 c1213 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support, first, the amendments tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Low. It is important that ...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1184 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the noble Baroness, Lady Morris, as I wrote myself a note to do so. The general point...
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 719 c1179-80 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is an interesting debate that has raised important issues. Legal status and legal tit...
Bishop of Liverpool | 719 c1178-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I declare an interest in that the diocese of Liverpool is a co-sponsor with the Catholic a...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 719 c1180 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, much as I admire—and I really do admire—the noble Baroness, Lady Morgan, and the considera...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 719 c1180 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should like to make some points which are, I am afraid, against the group of amendments....
Earl of Listowel | 719 c1181 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have listened to the debate with great interest and am prompted to speak by what the nob...
Bishop of Bath and Wells | 719 c1181 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, from the diocese of Bath and Wells, I should point out that in Taunton we have just inaugu...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1181-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall start by speaking to Amendments 1, 5, 6, 8, 9, 65, 77, 86, 87, 93, 94, 194 and 195...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 719 c1204 (Link to this contribution) 2: Clause 1, page 1, line 3, leave out ““any person”” and insert ““the governing body of a school””
Lord Lucas | 719 c1211 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for the misprint in my Amendment 33. For the word ““roles”” noble Lords should read ““ru...
Lord Adonis | 719 c1207 (Link to this contribution) I hope the Minister will be able to confirm that entirely new schools can be set up, and indeed are ...
Lord Greaves | 719 c1206-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 3 in this group is tabled in my name. It is similar to the amendment that the no...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 719 c1204-6 (Link to this contribution) We turn now to the issue of free schools. As I said a moment ago, I am very grateful to the Minister...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 719 c1210-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very pleased that the noble Lord, Lord Low, has set out the case for reconsidering sp...
Lord Northbourne | 719 c1210 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I very much support the amendments in the name of my noble friend Lord Low as I follow his...
Lord Low of Dalston | 719 c1207-9 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak to Amendments 13 and 76, which are tabled in my name. When we debated the Bill at Seco...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 719 c1211 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the debate so far has been extremely interesting. It started with a clear indication that ...
Baroness Warnock | 719 c1212 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendments in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Low. Rightly, they we...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 719 c1170 (Link to this contribution) 1: Clause 1, page 1, line 3, leave out ““Academy”” and insert ““Direct Maintained School””
Lord Lucas | 719 c1177 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Adonis, paid tribute to the right reverend Prelates, so I shall pay t...
Baroness Walmsley | 719 c1174-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not intend to make a Second Reading speech, but I understand why the noble Baroness, ...
Bishop of Lincoln | 719 c1175 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Church of England has the largest family of academies under the existing provisions, a...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 719 c1174 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness rightly reminds the House of the accomplishments of the academies that ...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 719 c1170-4 (Link to this contribution) We begin today the first scrutiny in Committee of the first Bill from the new coalition Government. ...
Lord Bates | 719 c1178 (Link to this contribution) I totally support the remarks of the noble Lord, Lord Adonis, about the name. The name ““academies””...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 719 c1177-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, at Second Reading many noble Lords pointed out that most parents want a good local school,...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 719 c1272 (Link to this contribution) At this hour, and having had this very considerable and useful debate, I am sure that it is incumben...
Lord Northbourne | 719 c1231 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should like to set down a marker. If academies are required to accept children with spec...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 719 c1231 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it seems to me that there is a good deal to be said for consultation in this area, in acco...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 719 c1229-30 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will not go through the full list of people to consult, but I will comment on two groups...
Lord Adonis | 719 c1230-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there seem to me to be two distinct issues. The first is that of good practice in the esta...
Lord Greaves | 719 c1232-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I fundamentally disagree with the eloquent but mistaken case that the noble Lord, Lord Bat...
Baroness Thornton | 719 c1233 (Link to this contribution) I cannot resist a comment on a division in the coalition between gradualist and vanguardist politics...
Lord Bates | 719 c1231-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, following that point, we need to be clear what we are consulting about. There has to be me...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 719 c1233-4 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that anyone who has spoken or, indeed, anyone in the House disagrees with the idea th...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 719 c1234 (Link to this contribution) I should say briefly that all the amendments we are discussing are relevant to maintained schools co...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 719 c1224 (Link to this contribution) I hesitate to prolong this debate, but after all that has been said on this group of amendments, is ...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 719 c1224 (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 2 withdrawn. Amendment 3 not moved. Amendment 3A...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 719 c1224 (Link to this contribution) 3A: Clause 1, page 1, line 3, leave out ““person”” and insert ““individual or organisation””
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 719 c1224-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving Amendment 3A, I shall speak to Amendments 4A and 101. My noble friend Lord Adoni...
Baroness Walmsley | 719 c1226-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my Amendment 104 is in this group. I am not quite sure why Amendment 3A is in the group—I ...
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 719 c1227-8 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment proposed by my noble friend Lady Royall. This is a very strange part of the ...
Bishop of Liverpool | 719 c1228 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as a supporter of academies, I very much encourage the Government to accept the spirit of ...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 719 c1228-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I refer to my Amendment 102. It is interesting that several differing groups have tabled m...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 719 c1222 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for giving way. Will he also think in his deliberations about both routes for a...
Lord Lucas | 719 c1223 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for his reply and look forward to the model agreement, or the bits of it tha...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 719 c1223-4 (Link to this contribution) We have had a very helpful and full debate, and I thank the Minister for replying so comprehensively...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 719 c1223 (Link to this contribution) I have just one small point. The Minister indicated that having given very full consideration to all...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1223 (Link to this contribution) We have two more days to debate these issues, and I am sure that we will come back to them. The answ...
Lord Rix | 719 c1223 (Link to this contribution) I had intended to thank the Minister for the letter that he sent to many of the Peers who spoke at t...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1223 (Link to this contribution) I would not like to deny the noble Lord, Lord Rix, the pleasure of the hunt. I had no intention in s...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1222-3 (Link to this contribution) One is approaching this from first principles, and first principles are first principles. I give an ...
Lord Northbourne | 719 c1219 (Link to this contribution) Might the Minister perhaps think a little more about the composition of governing bodies and write t...
Lord Greaves | 719 c1221 (Link to this contribution) I am still confused. Either free schools can be set up under the 2002 Act or they cannot. If they ca...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1221 (Link to this contribution) The point of having two ways of establishing an academy is that in addition to the current funding a...
Lord Greaves | 719 c1221 (Link to this contribution) So is it the Government’s intention to use this new legislation and not the 2002 Act for free school...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1221 (Link to this contribution) I will need to make that clear subsequently to my noble friend Lord Greaves. I will do that as soon ...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1220 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that I would say to the noble Lord that it would be totally a matter of chance. Fundam...
Baroness Walmsley | 719 c1220 (Link to this contribution) Notwithstanding that my Amendment 82 in a later group deals with this very matter and I would like t...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1220-1 (Link to this contribution) I am being helped by noble Lords opposite who know far more about this subject than I yet do, so I a...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 719 c1216 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that I am not going to spoil the party by referring to the first two or three amend...
Lord Rix | 719 c1216 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the grandfather of a splendid little lad with Down’s Syndrome who is nine years’ old, p...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 719 c1218-9 (Link to this contribution) It would be helpful if the Minister set out in greater detail in writing what he has just said. We r...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1217-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it has been wide-ranging debate. As the noble Lord, Lord Phillips, pointed out, we have in...
Lord Bates | 719 c1217 (Link to this contribution) The terminology is getting to us all. I do mean that. I come from an inner city urban area on Tynesi...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1219 (Link to this contribution) I am very happy of course to write further and set out what the noble Baroness seeks, because it is ...
Lord Baker of Dorking | 719 c1272 (Link to this contribution) Before my noble friend sits down, I draw his attention to the point made by my noble friend Lord Bat...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1272 (Link to this contribution) I will certainly reflect on that point and see where my reflections take me. In conclusion, I urge a...
Lord Whitty | 719 c1271 (Link to this contribution) I gently say to the Minister that, yes, one of my amendments would give local authorities a veto but...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1271-2 (Link to this contribution) I understand the point that the noble Lord, Lord Whitty, makes. I stand corrected. Amendments 119 an...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1271 (Link to this contribution) We will have one colour for the coalition. I thought that the letter had been made available in the ...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1271 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, that was not meant to be—
Lord Greaves | 719 c1271 (Link to this contribution) Is that letter to local authorities somewhere on the website, or can we please have a copy of it?
Lord Bates | 719 c1267-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we should be grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Phillips, for tabling Amendment 4 and giving...
Lord Greaves | 719 c1269 (Link to this contribution) I do apologise, but I cannot avoid jumping in. How do you police localism?
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1268-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there have been times in the past half an hour or so when I thought that I should contract...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 719 c1269-70 (Link to this contribution) I regret interrupting the noble Lord, but he misses the main point of my case, as did the noble Lord...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1269 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the noble Lord. The word ““police”” came unwittingly from my lips. He may have sensed...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1270 (Link to this contribution) I understand the point that my noble friend Lord Phillips makes. As I said, we have discussed it. It...
Lord Whitty | 719 c1267 (Link to this contribution) I owe the noble Lord, Lord Baker, at least a brief response since he took us back not only to 1988 b...
Lord Lucas | 719 c1266-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do enjoy this coalition politics, but I think that my noble friends on my left are looki...
Lord Baker of Dorking | 719 c1265-6 (Link to this contribution) Very often, if there is a good local school there will not be the creation of another school. If you...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 719 c1263 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way, but he has rather challenged me. The answer to his q...
Lord Adonis | 719 c1262-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry to return to the amendment tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Phillips, but I belie...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 719 c1265 (Link to this contribution) I am intrigued. Is the noble Lord, Lord Baker, saying that the creation of a new school cannot sever...
Lord Baker of Dorking | 719 c1264-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support entirely what the noble Lord, Lord Adonis, has said. It is a pity that he is not...
Lord Adonis | 719 c1263-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do believe that that is a straight cop-out. Parliament has to be clear on what it means....
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 719 c1260 (Link to this contribution) I am very interested in the noble Lord’s view on this. Does he think there is a material difference ...
Lord Greaves | 719 c1259-60 (Link to this contribution) I have one amendment in this group, Amendment 106—which, as I previously explained, should have been...
Earl of Listowel | 719 c1261-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support Amendments 114 and 191. I particularly support Amendment 191, because it asks th...
Lord Greaves | 719 c1260-1 (Link to this contribution) I think there is a real difference between primary schools and secondary schools for other reasons, ...
Baroness Walmsley | 719 c1255-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if I may—I have some amendments in this group. I should like to speak to Amendments 98, 13...
Lord Bew | 719 c1254-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall address some of the issues raised by the noble Lord, Lord Phillips of Sudbury, in ...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 719 c1253-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendments 191 and 114 are intended to probe the Government’s view of the long term of thi...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 719 c1252-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord made much the same point before the dinner break. If he looks back over som...
Lord Adonis | 719 c1252 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is a stickler in this House, and rightly so, for precision in language and comprehens...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 719 c1252 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a broadly good Bill, but in boldly extending academy status from underachieving sc...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 719 c1251 (Link to this contribution) 4: Clause 1, page 1, line 4, at end insert— ““( ) If the Academy arrangements are entered into other...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 719 c1236-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been an excellent debate and I am grateful for the Minister’s response. It is not...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1236 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend. The point about whether schools will be able to convert in time fo...
Baroness Walmsley | 719 c1236 (Link to this contribution) Does my noble friend accept that if schools want to convert by September, that will give them quite ...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1234-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as has been the pattern today, we have had a good and lively debate, which has certainly g...
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 719 c1184 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister please answer the specific question I asked?
Lord Adonis | 719 c1175-7 (Link to this contribution) I begin by paying tribute to the Church of England for the outstanding work that it does in promotin...
Lord Bates | 719 c1216-7 (Link to this contribution) Following on from the previous speaker, I should like further clarification on the rules concerning ...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 719 c1217 (Link to this contribution) When the noble Lord refers to ““new schools””, does he mean free schools?
Lord Greaves | 719 c1271 (Link to this contribution) Maybe other Members of the Committee would like special copies as well. Can we have them individuall...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1271 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to send that to my noble friend. It has been widely publicised and I think it has been ci...
Lord Whitty | 719 c1256-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, have tabled amendments in this group—Amendments 116, 117, 119 and 129. Since this ...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 719 c1221-2 (Link to this contribution) Of course. Amendment 76 in this group would ensure that academy funding agreements would include ad...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 719 c1184 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his helpful reply. I am happy to withdraw my amendment at the appropriate m...
Subjects
Curriculum Finance Governing bodies Local government Parents Public consultation Primary education Standards Teachers Special educational needs Secondary education Trusts Academies Free schools Maintained schools
Legislation
Academies Bill (HL) 2010-12
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