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Debate on bill on Wednesday, 16 February 2011, in the House of Lords.

Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill

Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill. Consideration of Commons reasons and amendments. Amendment A1 insisting on Lords amendments 1-8 agreed on division (277 to 215). Amendment B1 disagreed on division (241 to 242). Motion B not insisting on Lords amendments 16 and 19 agreed. Motion C not insisting on Lords amendments 17 and 20 agreed and amendments 20A to 20E agreed in lieu. Further amendment A1 proposing amendment 1D in lieu of Commons amendment 1C negatived on division (153 to 221). Motion A not further insisting on Lords amendments 1 and 8 with Commons amendment 1C agreed in lieu. Bill passed.

Secondary information

Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
725 c656-699, c778-88 
Session
2010-12
Legislative stage
Commons amendments
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 725 c667-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I voted for the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Rooker, the first time, and I intend to ...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 725 c666-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd of Berwick, speaks from the very heart of reason an...
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Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 725 c668-70 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not wish to detain the House but I agree with every word that the noble Lord, Lord Ro...
Lord Tyler | 725 c668 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not sure whether the noble and learned Lord, Lord Falconer, intends to speak on this....
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 725 c666 (Link to this contribution) It was a major plank in the Liberal Democrat manifesto and that is a fact. And so—
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 725 c666 (Link to this contribution) No; no more. That is quite enough. For those reasons, I will vote against the amendment of the noble...
Lord Kilclooney | 725 c670-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have watched the Bill’s progress over the past few weeks with increasing concern because...
Lord Trimble | 725 c671 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I know that we are getting towards the end of this debate but I want to make just one shor...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 725 c671 (Link to this contribution) There is another point that is being missed: the idea, which the Minister repeated in the other plac...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 725 c665-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, initially, I was inclined to support the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Rooker. However...
Lord Higgins | 725 c664-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have not previously intervened in the debates on this Bill, although I have voted severa...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 725 c664 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to ask the Minister a very basic question, to which not only I but possibly other P...
Lord Lawson of Blaby | 725 c663-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on this occasion I am unable to support my noble and noble and learned friends and I find ...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 725 c662 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, listening to the noble Lord, Lord Rooker, I am reminded irresistibly of the last occasion ...
Lord Myners | 725 c666 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord spoke about the referendum of the Labour Party, but I think he meant the manifesto. P...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 725 c666 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. I am perfectly willing to accept the decision of the British people, whatever that is an...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 725 c666 (Link to this contribution) My honourable friend Mr Clegg may call it what he likes.
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 725 c672-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, yet again, we have had a useful debate, with some powerful arguments made. I anticipated a...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 725 c671-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have had an absolutely scintillating debate on this issue. The issue for the House toda...
Baroness Trumpington | 725 c671 (Link to this contribution) Many of us, I believe, voted for the Government out of loyalty to the Government, and not for the ma...
Lord Trimble | 725 c671 (Link to this contribution) I will make the point none the less, and I am glad that the noble Lord, Lord Forsyth, has given me a...
Lord Pannick | 725 c680 (Link to this contribution) As an amendment to Motion B, leave out from ““House”” to end and insert ““do insist on its Amendment...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 725 c677-80 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, these amendments relate to amendments that were moved by the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, on ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 725 c677 (Link to this contribution) That this House do not insist on its Amendments 16 and 19 to which the Commons have disagreed for th...
Lord Rooker | 725 c673-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am incredibly grateful for the support for the amendment to ask the other place to think...
Lord Rooker | 725 c660 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not propose to rehearse the arguments again, although I thank the Minister most since...
Lord Rooker | 725 c660-2 (Link to this contribution) One can look at Hansard—the estimated time is about 14 minutes of debate. That was the first time th...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 725 c658 (Link to this contribution) Is the noble and learned Lord aware that the Government are very keen to have thresholds for trade u...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 725 c658-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not sure whether the noble Lord is advocating that kind of threshold. As I have indi...
Lord Strathclyde | 725 c659 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is the Lords consideration of Commons amendments. There will be time for noble Lords ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 725 c659-60 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, referendums are used only sparingly in this country but they provide an opportunity for pe...
Lord Rooker | 725 c660 (Link to this contribution) As an amendment to Motion A, leave out from ““House”” to end and insert ““do insist on its Amendment...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 725 c658 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister cast his mind back to the 1975 vote on joining the European Economic Community? Th...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 725 c658 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that vote was not on a threshold. In the one case where there was a threshold, in Scotland...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 725 c657-8 (Link to this contribution) I remember the vote very well. This House voted most emphatically, and the Government have listened....
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 725 c656-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have now come to the consideration of the Commons response to your Lordships’ amendment...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 725 c656 (Link to this contribution) That this House do not insist on its Amendments 1 and 8 to which the Commons have disagreed for thei...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 725 c685-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before coming to the House today—and I hesitated before intending to speak—I felt that I s...
Lord Armstrong of Ilminster | 725 c686 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as one who also attached his name to the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, I supp...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 725 c684-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I voted against the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, on Report. It seemed to me ...
Lord King of Bridgwater | 725 c683-4 (Link to this contribution) I begin by saying how much I admire the ability of the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, to make another mos...
Lord Pannick | 725 c680-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apprehend that the House will not want me to rehearse the merits of the substantive amen...
Baroness O'Neill of Bengarve | 725 c682-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I put my name to the relevant amendment on Report. As I did not have the opportunity to sp...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 725 c686-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I appreciate the efforts of the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, in connection with the amendment...
Lord Strathclyde | 725 c785 (Link to this contribution) There was the substantial concession on the Isle of Wight at the request of noble Lords opposite, th...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 725 c784 (Link to this contribution) I am not taking interventions. Thirteen per cent of the electorate could pass a change in our voting...
Lord Strathclyde | 725 c785 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Rooker, in what I thought was an uncharacteristically spiky speech, a...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 725 c783-4 (Link to this contribution) And I withdraw the word ““unimpressive”” and apologise to the noble Lord, Lord Hodgson. There are t...
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 725 c783 (Link to this contribution) I described the noble Lord as ““silky””. I withdraw that immediately.
Baroness Hayman | 725 c788 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before I put the Question on Motion A, I have to inform the House of a minor drafting erro...
Lord Rooker | 725 c785-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall not detain the House. I shall certainly not comment on that excuse about the conce...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 725 c690-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, once again I thank noble Lords who have participated in this debate on what is an importan...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 725 c688-90 (Link to this contribution) This is also an important debate and, again, the question is whether or not we should ask the other ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 725 c696 (Link to this contribution) That this House do not insist on its Amendments 17 and 20 to which the Commons have disagreed, and d...
Lord Pannick | 725 c692-6 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this interesting and important debate. The noble...
Lord Fowler | 725 c697-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will be brief. I thank the Government for listening to what the House of Lords said on m...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 725 c696-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, during the passage of the Bill through your Lordships’ House there was a very important Co...
Lord Strathclyde | 725 c778 (Link to this contribution) That this House do not further insist on its Amendments 1 and 8, in respect of which the Commons hav...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 725 c698-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I congratulate the Isle of Wight on this great achievement and the noble Lord, Lord Fowler...
Lord Desai | 725 c687-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Government have asked the Boundary Commission to fit 597 out of 600 seats within a 5 p...
Lord Strathclyde | 725 c778-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this body—and my body—is not built for marathons, yet here we find ourselves still debatin...
Lord Beecham | 725 c781-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have been a Member of this House for only seven months and I have therefore listened wit...
Baroness Hayman | 725 c781 (Link to this contribution) The original Question was that Motion A be agreed to, since when Motion A1 has been moved as an amen...
Lord Rooker | 725 c780-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in short I am proposing to add to the government amendment a sub-paragraph (5). When I saw...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 725 c783 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is for your Lordships to imagine what happened to the noble Lord, Lord Hodgson of Astle...
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 725 c782-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall make a brief intervention. I did not participate in the debate this morning, altho...
Lord Beecham | 725 c782 (Link to this contribution) Not only that, my Lords, but he was a teller. The noble and learned Lord this morning quoted my nobl...
Lord Strathclyde | 725 c779-80 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am glad noble Lords opposite listened so carefully to what the noble and learned Lord sa...
Lord King of Bridgwater | 725 c684 (Link to this contribution) He did not go that far, but there was an implication of it in what he said. I listened from elsewher...
Lord Butler of Brockwell | 725 c687 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may ask the Minister to address one point which is material to the issue. He sai...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 725 c785 (Link to this contribution) Will my noble friend please address the point made by the noble Lord, Lord Rooker, that this referen...
Lord Strathclyde | 725 c785 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the referendum taking place in Wales on 3 March, on which there is no threshold and for wh...
Lord Rooker | 725 c780 (Link to this contribution) As an amendment to Motion A, at end insert ““but do propose Amendment 1D as an amendment to Commons ...
Subjects
Boundary commissions Constituency size Constituencies Alternative vote Isle of Wight Referendums Voting behaviour
Legislation
Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill 2010-12
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