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Debate on bill on Monday, 16 May 2011, in the House of Lords.

Fixed-term Parliaments Bill

Fixed-term Parliaments Bill. Lords report stage second day. Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed (HL Bill 69).

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
727 c1146-79, c1191-210 
Session
2010-12
Department
Deputy Prime Minister
Legislative stage
Report stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Related items
Fixed-term Parliaments Bill. As amended on report.
Monday, 16 May 2011
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 727 c1152-3 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Cormack, defines a Motion of no confidence as being either a Motion of no confi...
Lord Morgan | 727 c1153 (Link to this contribution) On the Baldwin point, it is quite important to know that in 1924 there was, as it were, an understoo...
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Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 727 c1150-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the circumstances in which there can be an early general election is the outstanding criti...
Lord Cormack | 727 c1152 (Link to this contribution) My reference to 14 days relates to an entirely different matter, as I shall seek to explain.
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 727 c1150 (Link to this contribution) 20A: Clause 2, line 13, leave out from ““(4)”” to end of line 16
Lord Howarth of Newport | 727 c1147-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the new clause inserted by Amendment 20 would replace the existing Clause 2. It is focused...
Lord Armstrong of Ilminster | 727 c1156 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that the House will forgive me. I have to chair a committee upstairs at 4 pm so I r...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 727 c1153 (Link to this contribution) I completely agree with that but it does not change the basic principle that if the first party afte...
Lord Cormack | 727 c1153-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have made real progress. When the Bill was presented to this House on 1 March, there wa...
Lord Pannick | 727 c1210 (Link to this contribution) 25: Clause 7, page 4, line 6, at end insert— ““(4) Sections 2, 3 and 6(3) shall have effect only unt...
Lord Grocott | 727 c1209-10 (Link to this contribution) Encouraged by that response, I might bring forward a Bill to provide for just that. There are vario...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 727 c1210 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 25 is clearly linked as a package to the suite of amendments that the noble Lord, Lord Pan...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 727 c1204 (Link to this contribution) I think that the referendums Bill came between those on Scotland and Wales and the London Mayor, but...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 727 c1205 (Link to this contribution) Thank you very much indeed for that. I also draw to the attention of the noble Lord, Lord Tyler, tha...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 727 c1205 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before my noble and learned friend sits down, may I draw to the House’s attention that the...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 727 c1204 (Link to this contribution) The Welsh Assembly, the Scottish Parliament, the Mayor of London—those are the ones that come to min...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 727 c1205-7 (Link to this contribution) First, my Lords, as I think the noble and learned Lord, Lord Falconer of Thoroton, said, we owe a de...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 727 c1207 (Link to this contribution) The Minister appeared to me to indicate that were part of the United Kingdom to secede, that should ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 727 c1207-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if I might clarify I think I said that that was one suggestion put forward by the Constitu...
Lord Grocott | 727 c1208-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not just being polite when I say that I am grateful to everyone who has taken part in...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 727 c1200-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having rashly intervened on the spur of the moment earlier I decided that I had better sta...
Lord Pannick | 727 c1200 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Grocott, has served a very valuable purpose, because he has identifie...
Lord Norton of Louth | 727 c1199-200 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the key point has been made, but not yet by me. I want to reinforce what the noble Lord, L...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 727 c1199 (Link to this contribution) I agree absolutely with the noble Lord. There is one condition and qualification which the Minister ...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 727 c1203-4 (Link to this contribution) I do not know whether the noble and learned Lord noticed, but we lost the election. In a sense, I wo...
Lord Tyler | 727 c1204 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether in the course of his rewriting of history, the noble and learned Lord could just in...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 727 c1203 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the noble and learned Lord will want to complete the picture and remind the House tha...
Lord Higgins | 727 c1201-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise to the House for missing the first few minutes of this debate. However, fortun...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 727 c1202 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, characteristically, my noble friend Lord Grocott has proposed an amendment which has caugh...
Lord Grocott | 727 c1192 (Link to this contribution) I am responsible for all sorts of things, but I am happy to say that, by my choice—who knows what mi...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 727 c1192 (Link to this contribution) What the Front Bench would have said is that we accept the will of the people.
Lord Grocott | 727 c1192-4 (Link to this contribution) That is absolutely right. Just to correct a mathematical point, the Labour Party was not split down ...
Bishop of Chester | 727 c1195-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, briefly, I support the noble Lord on his amendment. I do not think that the constitution, ...
Lord Cormack | 727 c1194-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, not for the first time the noble lord, Lord Grocott, has entertained the House with some g...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 727 c1196-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank my noble friend for giving us an opportunity to speculate on the nature and the ci...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 727 c1196 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree entirely with those who have just spoken that it would be helpful to the House—ind...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 727 c1198 (Link to this contribution) Well, of course, my noble friend is speculating. It is hard to believe that the other Chamber would ...
Lord Cormack | 727 c1198 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to my noble friend. Would he not agree that the power of another place would be e...
Lord Deben | 727 c1198 (Link to this contribution) Is it not a common feature of the four examples that the noble Lord has suggested that a referendum ...
Lord Dobbs | 727 c1168-9 (Link to this contribution) Yes, indeed. I shall try to deal with that issue in a second. Far from the Prime Minister giving up...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 727 c1169-71 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I begin by thanking all noble Lords who have taken part in this debate—not just for their ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 727 c1172-4 (Link to this contribution) In these circumstances, yes. Had this Bill been in place, that could have happened. Perhaps I may re...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 727 c1171-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not sure that it is necessary to insert ““maximum””. Perhaps I can assure my noble fr...
Lord Cormack | 727 c1171 (Link to this contribution) I know that the Minister is trying very hard, but some of us remain very concerned about this 14-day...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 727 c1192 (Link to this contribution) I can hardly believe what I am hearing. In the referendum, the Labour Party was split. I am not sure...
Lord Grocott | 727 c1191-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 22A is grouped with Amendment 23, but I do not intend to move Amendment 23, whic...
Lord Grocott | 727 c1191 (Link to this contribution) 22A: Clause 7, page 4, line 3, leave out ““comes into force on the day it is passed”” and insert ““s...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 727 c1174-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it has been a very important debate. It is absolutely clear what the critical issue is in ...
Lord Grocott | 727 c1162-3 (Link to this contribution) I was not intending to speak but it is just too tempting. I am delighted to hear that the noble Lord...
Lord Norton of Louth | 727 c1168 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the convention is that if the Government lose a vote of confidence in the House of Commons...
Baroness Jay of Paddington | 727 c1166 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the House has been very generous in its consideration of the report of the Select Committe...
Lord Tyler | 727 c1165-6 (Link to this contribution) That is a very interesting point and I shall contemplate it. I come to another point. It would seem...
Lord Dobbs | 727 c1167-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise with some trepidation after so many distinguished noble Lords. The first thing I wa...
Lord Martin of Springburn | 727 c1167 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support—along with everyone else—Amendment 20 and a new Clause 2. I put on record my tha...
Lord Cormack | 727 c1163 (Link to this contribution) Would not the circumstances where it would not be appropriate, to which my noble friend has just ref...
Lord Tyler | 727 c1163 (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords; I think that that is over-simple. It does not give the House of Commons a proper, resp...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 727 c1165 (Link to this contribution) I can assure the noble Lord that he is not being stupid. It is my failure for not explaining it adeq...
Lord Tyler | 727 c1163-5 (Link to this contribution) I can only say to my noble friend that I was advancing the case for precisely this legislation long ...
Lord Tyler | 727 c1161-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have listened with great interest to people who have a great deal more experience and ex...
Baroness Boothroyd | 727 c1160-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having heard that, I hope that I am now in order in rising to support the amendment, so ab...
Baroness Hayman | 727 c1160 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it may assist the House if I clarify the procedural position once more as I think that a l...
Lord Norton of Louth | 727 c1159-60 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord anticipates what I am coming on to. That is what I want to deal with. That is my whol...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 727 c1159 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord recognise that there could be a legitimate concern since he provides that an ear...
Lord Norton of Louth | 727 c1156-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a delight to follow a former chancellor of the University of Hull. I speak to my own...
Lord Armstrong of Ilminster | 727 c1156 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my thought was that that sort of situation would be covered by the fact that the Prime Min...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 727 c1156 (Link to this contribution) Let me assist by saying that I think that the noble Lord is right. To add another prong to that argu...
Lord Butler of Brockwell | 727 c1156 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I raise one question with my noble friend about his amendment. Under subsection (2)(a) of ...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 727 c1146-7 (Link to this contribution) 20: Clause 2, leave out Clause 2 and insert the following new Clause— ““Early parliamentary general ...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 727 c1204 (Link to this contribution) I was out of the Chamber so I did not speak, but in the light of the noble and learned Lord’s respon...
Subjects
Legislatures General elections Fixed-term parliaments Referendums Parliament Censure motions
Legislation
Fixed-term Parliaments Bill 2010-12
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