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Legislative debate on Thursday, 30 June 2011, in the House of Commons, led by George Osborne. The answering member was Ed Balls.

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Motion made, that— (1) new provision be made for, or in connection with, the financial support of the Sovereign and of the heir to the throne; (2) any sums payable in respect of provision so made should be payable out of money provided by Parliament; (3) provision be made enabling the continuation, in the reigns of Her Majesty’s successors, of the payment of the hereditary revenues of the Crown as directed under section 1 of the Civil List Act 1952; (4) provision be made about allowances and pensions under the Civil List Acts of 1837 and 1952; (5) any sums payable in respect of such allowances and pensions by virtue of any provision so made should be charged on the Consolidated Fund; (6) it is expedient to amend the law relating to the financial support of members of the Royal Household. Agreed to on question. Ordered, that a Bill be brought in upon the foregoing resolution. (Bill 213 2010-12)

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
530 c1144-78 
Session
2010-12
Department
Treasury
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
George Osborne | 530 c1144-8 (13-14MC) (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That—""(1) new provision be made for, or in connection with, the financial support of...
Michael Ellis | 530 c1164-5 (Link to this contribution) Now my hon. Friend is tempting me. It is important to bear in mind, as Professor Vernon Bogdanor ha...
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Michael Ellis | 530 c1164 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman may not, but others may choose to do so. In fact, I happen to think that the 1760...
Michael Ellis | 530 c1164 (Link to this contribution) I see that that idea is getting agreement.
Viscount Thurso | 530 c1164 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has tempted me. Part of the 1760 settlement was that the Crown no longer had to p...
Viscount Thurso | 530 c1161-2 (Link to this contribution) Much of what I wish to say has already been said. I congratulate the Chancellor on what seems to be ...
Paul Flynn | 530 c1162-3 (Link to this contribution) The sight of the British Head of State bowing her head in respect at Croke park to those who had bee...
Michael Ellis | 530 c1163-4 (Link to this contribution) May I personally commend and congratulate the Chancellor of the Exchequer not only for taking the in...
Lord Beamish | 530 c1164 (Link to this contribution) I take the hon. Gentleman's point about tourism and other matters that provide a net contribution, b...
Lord Beamish | 530 c1160-1 (Link to this contribution) I, too, broadly welcome what has been said today. It is a credit to Her Majesty that she has agreed ...
Edward Leigh | 530 c1159-60 (Link to this contribution) Yes. This is the Head of State. She should not be in a palace that is falling down, and we should no...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 530 c1159 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend and his colleagues saved the train but unfortunately not the yacht. Is there any chan...
Edward Leigh | 530 c1159 (Link to this contribution) Well, some stingy previous Government, whom I will not mention by name, got rid of the royal yacht. ...
Edward Leigh | 530 c1159 (Link to this contribution) I give way to an ornament of the constitution.
Baroness Hodge of Barking | 530 c1155-7 (Link to this contribution) I join others in welcoming today's announcement and the motion put forward by the Chancellor with th...
Edward Leigh | 530 c1158-9 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Barking (Margaret Hodge), who is the current Ch...
Ed Balls | 530 c1153 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to say anything inappropriate, but I believe that it is appropriate for me to say that...
Mary MacLeod | 530 c1153-5 (Link to this contribution) I want to put this debate in the context of Her Majesty's life of service to this country. As we are...
George Osborne | 530 c1152 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is right: this is not a statement. It is a rather archaic procedure, but if...
Ed Balls | 530 c1152 (Link to this contribution) I was in no way criticising the approach that has been taken. I was simply noting the rather odd sit...
Paul Flynn | 530 c1152 (Link to this contribution) As this announcement has been described as ““important””, a disappointingly small number of Members ...
Ed Balls | 530 c1148-51 (Link to this contribution) Although I, like other Members, have not yet seen the Bill that we are debating today, I thank the C...
Oliver Heald | 530 c1152 (Link to this contribution) I certainly support the comments of the right hon. Gentleman and the Chancellor. Is the right hon. G...
Ed Balls | 530 c1152 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman raises an important question. It is good that Parliament has an opportunity to sc...
Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 530 c1178 (Link to this contribution) The Prince of Wales, having been informed of the subject matter of the Bill so far as it relates to ...
Denis MacShane | 530 c1167 (Link to this contribution) There, to some extent, we have it. I accept fully your ruling—
Speaker | 530 c1167 (Link to this contribution) Order. I will go on to the next speaker if the right hon. Gentleman does not accept it.
Speaker | 530 c1167 (Link to this contribution) No, I will finish. Individual names are being attached to what is being said, and that is not what w...
Denis MacShane | 530 c1167-8 (Link to this contribution) I actually believe that a plane should be made available for the use of senior Government Ministers,...
Edward Leigh | 530 c1168 (Link to this contribution) Surely we should make a comparison with other major countries. In fact, the cost of the Queen bears ...
Denis MacShane | 530 c1167 (Link to this contribution) I said that I accept your ruling fully, Mr Deputy Speaker, and I will not say another word, save tha...
Speaker | 530 c1167 (Link to this contribution) Order. There are clear rules for this House that we have to abide by. The right hon. Gentleman might...
Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 530 c1168 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman has referred to people who have ditched their republicanism. Will he join m...
Denis MacShane | 530 c1168 (Link to this contribution) I do not really want to get into discussions about German lineages. I recall a previous German Presi...
Denis MacShane | 530 c1165-6 (Link to this contribution) This has been a most enjoyable debate. With the need to refurbish some of the royal households with ...
Denis MacShane | 530 c1166 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman, from a sedentary or kneeling position, asks why not—
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 530 c1166 (Link to this contribution) It seems a little bit mean to object when the royal family employ someone, and then object when they...
Denis MacShane | 530 c1166 (Link to this contribution) I am trying to choose my words carefully, because this is a serious matter. Serious questions would ...
Denis MacShane | 530 c1166 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that right hon. Member for Tatton (Mr Osborne) was a Government Minister at the time ...
Speaker | 530 c1167 (Link to this contribution) Order. The right hon. Gentleman is in danger of straying into—
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 530 c1172 (Link to this contribution) I would most certainly not be recommending that IPSA comes anywhere near our sovereign. When the Cr...
Justine Greening | 530 c1176 (Link to this contribution) There will be a cap at 15% of the spend by the royal household in the previous year. If the hon. Gen...
Denis MacShane | 530 c1176 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady keeps saying that the royal household will be brought into line with other Government ...
Justine Greening | 530 c1175-6 (Link to this contribution) The last time that the House substantively debated this issue was during proceedings on what became ...
Lord Beamish | 530 c1176 (Link to this contribution) If a large surplus builds up in the seven-year period, what will happen to it? Will it be retained b...
Lord Beamish | 530 c1175 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that we must start by looking at everything, the total expenditure, includ...
Kerry McCarthy | 530 c1175 (Link to this contribution) As I have already said, security is a big element of spending on the royal family, but other element...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 530 c1172-3 (Link to this contribution) No, he is going to let me carry on. As a result of what I have described the Queen is paying a highe...
Denis MacShane | 530 c1168 (Link to this contribution) A law throughout my entire life has been that if Mr Gerry Adams advises anybody to do anything, they...
Speaker | 530 c1171 (Link to this contribution) I gave you a bit of latitude there, Mr Horwood. I call Jacob Rees-Mogg.
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 530 c1171 (Link to this contribution) I know there is a great wish to debate Epping forest, a matter of enormous interest, so I will try n...
Paul Flynn | 530 c1171 (Link to this contribution) Over the years we were kept in ignorance of the royal tax rates and it was only as a result of a cam...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 530 c1171-2 (Link to this contribution) I clearly have not asked for full transparency on the royal tax affairs. Indeed, I would argue for t...
Stephen Williams | 530 c1169 (Link to this contribution) Unlike the shadow Chancellor, I have not spent the last 48 hours carefully considering what to say i...
Martin Horwood | 530 c1169-70 (Link to this contribution) I speak as—I hope—a radical democrat who really believes that sovereignty resides with the people an...
Michael Ellis | 530 c1170 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Gentleman is so eloquently expressing his support for the monarchy, will he be contribut...
Martin Horwood | 530 c1170 (Link to this contribution) I think that is a rather inappropriate question actually, but I was strongly inclined to do so, alth...
Lord Beamish | 530 c1172 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman would not be suggesting that a way of controlling the royal household would be to...
Justine Greening | 530 c1177-8 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is absolutely right to raise that issue. Of course, the Treasury will be ac...
Kerry McCarthy | 530 c1173-5 (Link to this contribution) How on earth do I follow that, Mr Deputy Speaker? We have had an interesting debate and, as has bee...
Subjects
Crown lands and estates Civil list Finance Expenditure Historic buildings Travel Repairs and maintenance Royal family Royal household Sovereign grant
Legislation
Sovereign Grant Bill 2010-12
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